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Written by Josh Walters on Sunday, 06 February 2011 16:14

 

The title of this article is 'Injustice', this not only refers to yesterday's refereeing debacle but to the countless times Arsenal and even other Premier League teams have had results changed due to the ineptitude of the officials and referees, those who are said to be qualified and who are put in place by the FA.

Half an hour before kick was when it was first realised Dowd would be refereeing the Newcastle-Arsenal match, it would be a lie to say concern didn't immediately follow. Of the 2 previous matches Dowd had refereed this season; Arsenal had drawn 1, lost 1 and both whilst holding a lead. Concern was never really allowed to settle as Arsenal took a 2-0 lead in 3 minutes and the idea that Dowd might have any controversial part to play in this match seemed a distant dream when Van-Persie headed in for Arsenal's 4th with only 26 minutes on the clock.  How little we knew.

26 minutes. Arsenal score a 4th goal. Phil Dowd arrives at St. James' Park.

To say the decisions from this point onwards we're poor, would be an disservice to just how inept Dowd was. Newcastle we're continually allowed to foul, follow through and tackle from behind on Arsenal players, most notably Barton leaving Arshavin sprawled on his back, no foul called but Barton's "fall" over Diaby's outstretched leg was worthy of a free-kick. The second-half deteriorated further; Diaby's red card perhaps the only understandable decision; though why Nolan and Barton weren't sent off, the 2nd penalty was given and why Robin's goal at 4-4 didn't stand is beyond me. The decisions had elevated to such absurdity that it would be insane not to think Dowd had been bribed and yet this style of refereeing felt all too similar.

Maybe it's my mind playing tricks but I'm struggling to think of a season where refereeing has reached such a low, and it's not just Arsenal who are suffering. This weekend alone has seen 4 different sets of officials make a joke of their profession: terrible refereeing at Goodison, yet more misunderstanding of the offside rule at the Britannia, the inability to notice a tackle at White Hart Lane and the one-sided, unfair, biased, incredibly sickening performance of Phil Dowd at St. James' Park. What's slightly heartening is that only one of these officials fits into my personal collection of "World's Worst" a group consisting of past and present horrors: Mike Dean, Howard Webb, Alan Wiley, Steve Bennett and our favourite, Phil Dowd, but the fact that one, let alone nine different officials can be picked out for such consistently poor officiating says mountains of the Football Assosciation's training regimes.

The question begs: Why has this been allowed to happen for so long?

What was most notable after yesterday's match was the sudden flux of journalist's who couldn't wait to say "I told you so!", Twitter lit up and you could see, given the chance, they would bash away until the cows came home. I couldn't count one, not one that mentioned Dowd's refereeing. Such a poor display deserved an artcile of it's own, let alone limited inches in a match report, but it was ignored.
To the journalists at St.James' Park; Arsenal's collapse, not Dowd's refereeing was the story. Hours later after Arsenal fan's had successfully vented their anger on Twitter, other sports writers watched highlights on Match of the Day to see what the comotion was about. Forming opinions on cut clips of a match is always dangerous, heck you could even make Man-Utd look like a clean team or Stoke; a team that plays football (Classic MOTD), yet this is what happened and once again rather than Dowd's calamitous refereeing, much of which was edited out, the story was "Arsenal Fans Whinge, Wenger Whinges Again". The major issue of the referee was somehow ignored by the vast majority of the Football writing community; Dowd's performance wasn't observed properply, wasn't scrutinised and ultimately wasn't challenged.
The media has as much blame as the FA in this matter; they have let Dowd and so many others get away with such a low standard of refereeing for too long. The story is never questioning how these men can pass as qualified officials, how they can be the best we have, it always seems to be lost in the post-match conjecture, missing from match-reports and never thoroughly examined.

This is a matter which the FA needs to take seriously. Even if by some freak occurance they couldn't see anything wrong with Dowd's 90 minutes at Newcastle; the sheer number of bogus decisions by referees this season has saturated to such an extent it's laughable.
Serious questions need to be asked about; Who is selected for Premier Leage matches?, surely with the FA so quick to call it the "Best League in the World" it deserves the best officials, How qualified are officials? How are they tested and trained? And ultimately; Are they good enough? Already this season we've seen young, upcoming officials simply not ready or up to standard; Stuart Atwell completely out of his depth during Arsenal's 4-1 victory over Bolton and Michael Oliver already attracting major criticism in his first year of Premier League football. If this is the next generation, what kind of decisions will we be complaining about in the years to come? How much worse can it get?

The solution, blindingly obvious to everyone bar FIFA, is video refereeing, though if and when this will be introduced to football is questionable, especially if FIFA seem more concerned about the "Health & Safety" of wearing a snood. Yes, the snood. Yet, it feels like more could be done. Surely, the media with it's influence could lobby FIFA, criticise the FA and scrutinise refereeing; just look at the reaction to England's failed world cup bid.

I hate permeating the idea, but with; FIFA, the English FA and the media not even bothering to take notice, it is really starting to feel like it's "Arsenal Against the World"

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Comments (82)

  • cg
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    agree 100%
  • mattbw7  - it is you bleating
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    I could point to us not getting two penalties when vidic was clearly held in the box and O Hara should have been sent off but visit any UTD blog and you will see the majority of comments refer to how poor we where and how good Wolves where, despite poor refeering we deserved nowt and got nowt, visit any arsenal blog and you're all fucking whinging!!! :roll:
  • cg
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    writing was on the wall before halftime,barton allowed to kick everthing that moved and no card! and the ref gave them two goals in the amazing comeback poor reffing again as against everton,only it didnt end up costing us then.
  • nodrog
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    Get over it. Barton. Nolan and Tiote ran the show with a spirited and passionate display which Arsenaf failed to live with in the second half.
  • Bob
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    We need women referees.
  • Rosicky7  - Referee disgrace!
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    Barton should have got a red and Nolan for attacking our goal keeper there has to be consisterancyin our game.The referee was a disgrace gave them penaltys
    when he shouldnt have !!!!
  • jimbo
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    The referee was poor but i agree that its not an excuse for losing a four goal lead. No leadership on the pitch, terrible defending, indiscipline and crazy decision making all contributed to the result. Also trying to play without a defensive midfielder after the sending off was crazy. Still a point is better than nothing
  • cg
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    the point of this is, that poor decisions from officials must be examined and officials mut be accountable,they are not.they are a protected item,even when they are clearly not up to it.this is not the first time this season and it will not be the last.everton and toon games prove the point .the everton goal was a joke even after consultation the officials still did not understand the offside rule...but these same officials will be practicing their expert knowldege week in week out.hats off to united fans for not complaining, but arsenal fans seetheir fair share of really shit officials.good luck to the toon but the comeback without poor reffing was not on,i think all we ask is that the same rules apply.yes diaby had to go...but so should have barton and the second pen a total disgrace...but hopefully what comes around goes around?mmmm
  • Josh Walters
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    I can understand criticism for "whinging" if Arsenal played poorly and I was making excuses that way, but you don't score 4 goals in 26 minutes if you're having an off day.
  • nodrog
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    Check your spelling you ignorant Gooner
  • cg
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    nodrog....spirited ,means kick eveything and everyone and the ref lets it go.the ref bottled it
  • nodrog
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    Hey Sado. Check your facts. Both teams had 15 fouls awarded against them. Two yellow cards each and of course one red to Arsenal. But then I forgot the Ref was bias. Do me a favour. :lol:
  • Bob
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    Ignore the wind up merchant.
  • visionary  - refereeing
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    wenger inherited a squad that not only could they play football, but could refree the game also. nothing wrong with that i hear you say, old stroller knew what it took to assemble a squad that delivered trophies
  • Anonymous  - arsenal passion
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    I agree with you 100%. Dowd is an imbecile and he should not be refereeing in the best league in the world. same goes of Webb, Atkinson, Dean Mason and most others .
  • Anonymous
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    Fuck off
  • nodrog
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    Is that the extent of your English. Oh I forgot you could well be from North London.
  • Vinny  - Gained 1 Point on Title Rivals 4 more to Go.
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    What Happened , happened ...... but there is Justice after all , MANU will not get our UNBEATEN SEASON record....!!!! Before last weekend , we were 5 points away , now we are 4 points away with 13 more games to go .... Let us Move on , and get over this as fast as possible.....!!!!

    This could still have our domestic Treble Season ...!!! We still got a good shot ... and thats all that matters....Lets focus on that.
  • Big Vern  - Don't let him off the hook
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    I want 50,000 gooners to rip into Dowd for 90 mins every time he sets foot on our turf :x
  • Nodrog's Milkman  - @Nodrog
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    I'm your real Daddy son so show some respect.....btw I'm from N. London.
  • toon  - goal no 5
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    winning 4-0 and you still dont sing, oh, have you all forgot the goal the the ref disallowed for the toon ? injustice yes, it should of been 5-4 to the toon, muppets
  • Anonymous
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    English FA and English refs have become a joke in the world. Its xenophobia against a foreign team, period.

    The way people view Englishmen in the world and the way they deal with them will definitely change.
  • Anonymous  - nufc mackinlay
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    the only joke is arsenal hahahahahah 8)
  • toon  - good team
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    still they is one good team in north london , spurs, didnt they come from behind and beat you ? it must of been the refs fault because you think you have a right to just turn up and win, you sad lot oh is that 4 points the toons taken from you this season? no it must of been the refs
  • toon
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    no one they ?
  • the might spurs  - spurs
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    there is only one good team in north london
  • super spurs
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    good point,toon fan they also go missing when they play us
  • Bob
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    How many idiots have invaded this blog?
  • toon  - bob
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    well get off it then muppet
  • the might spurs
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    ha well said toon fans all u idiots arnt welcome
  • Don  - History in the making
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    The history books say we are the only team in prem history to concede a 4 goal lead.A record that will take some beating
  • Don
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    No team i repeat no team should ever lose a 4-0 lead with 20 mins to go.The loss of JD to be replaced by Igor Squillaci cost us big style.Remember it was him who played that hospital ball to Diaby that led to the tackle
  • richie  - Thats right
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    Less you foreget North Londoner's speak the Qneens English she lives in London so she's a neighbour. She doesn't speak with some quaint country Arsed accent like those north of the Watford gap. Count yourselves lucky to considered English at all as you probably live in some backward Northern piss hole. London isn't the seat of power for England for no reason, its because the Queen like us, wants to live in a proper place.
  • richie  - nodrog was misspelt no dog was meant
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    no drog you meant No guide dog right!
    I'll do you a favour now spec savers two for one you obviously need it!
    Both David Blunket and Stevie Wonder got better reports on the game from their dogs than your lying eye's gave you.
  • nodrog
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    According to the experts the best Queens English is spoken in Inverness Scotland.
  • rob
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    it was a fair tackle, if he cant take it he should go and do sum other job, clean the boots :
  • MeanLean  - Trolls
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    Where exactly have all these non Arsenal supporters come from?

    The article made some superb points and was intelligently written, if you cannot show some respect and actually contribute to the topic then I suggest you find a blog with similar colours to your own.

    I like fans of other teams adding their views but some of the stuff written today is unnecessary.
  • toon
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    who was that team Don,the same team that beat you 1-0 at your place.
  • richie
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    That said from a jock with his head bashed in who's dad wandered south, who supports a team thats never won the prem and never will.
  • nodrog
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    Things to do . I enjored the wind up though :lol:
  • rob
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    if there were no non Arsenanl fans on this blog they would be no one on. i welcome all these to this blog its better than that article.come on the spurs
  • astonvilla fan
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    same old arsenal always winging hahahahahaha dont cry
  • MeanLean
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    Can you stop posting under different names otherwise I will block you
  • W.B.A  - THE BLOG
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    JUST READ YOUR ARTICLE, I ALSO READ THAT YOU SAY IT WAS INTELLIGENTLY WRITTEN, SORRY BUT I DONT THINK SO IT THE SAME OLD STORY FROM YOU ARSENAL FANS WHEN YOU GET BEAT OR PULLED BACK WHEN YOU SHOULD OF WON THE GAME, SAME OLD STORY ITS THE REFS FAULT,NOT YOU PLAYERS. SAME STORY WHEN THE WEST BROM BEAT YOU .
  • richie
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    Sad? I spent a week in Newcastle one Sunday. I asked where all the action was and a geordie took me to where they fished illegally, I plugged my tooth brush in and the street lights dimed. Sad is knowing you support a yoyo team thats never won the prem and never will, we all understand why you hate Arsenal & Londoners. We're successful and you've never been which must be hard to take! Knowing a London boy own's St James Park, word down here is St James pk is soon to be metro center 2 Oh dear what a terrible shame all that history............
    Oh dear I'm mistaken there is no history I was thinking of those other 2 teams from up that way Rangers & Celtic.
  • we h8 ARSENAL
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    go to bed now nite nite ha
  • gunnergetya  - trolls
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    Q.Why do toon fans have moustaches?
    A: So they can look like their mothers.

    Q: What's the ideal weight for a spurs supporter?
    A: 3 pounds...that's including the urn.
  • toon
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    no mickey taken please not on this blog or your be blocked
  • we h8 ARSENAL  - SPURS
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    What do you call an Arsenal fan in a 3 bedroom semi ??
    A burglar.
  • richie  - tell twitcher to get Gallas to help out
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    Talking of missing something (1st win in 17 years) you better win the CL in one shot coz its either you or Chelski for 4th spot. Mind you up in the poor part of north London I'm told its now Squeeky Arse time for the tiny totts with a resurgent Pool coming on fast.
  • JB  - In his own words
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    "If the Arsenal players don't like being tackled, they should go and play basketball or netball or one of the other games."

    Joey Barton, 6th Feb 2011

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_6733477,00.html
  • richie
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    Thats right the only one to have won the prem. The only one who've always been in the top tier challenging either the Manx or the Pool.
  • toon
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    well said JB
  • toon
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    ANY MORE TOON FANS ON THIS BLOG
  • toon
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    closing down now. just one thing to say ------ ITS THE REFS FAULT?
  • WBA  - TOON
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    GOOD STUFF.
  • bushy81  - peeeerrrrfeeeccctttticcccccccc
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    if we were t have a sensible debate about the game i would be happy to engage however the facts are Arsenal lost a 4 nil lead 10 men lor not letsa get real wenger is doing a great job in mike ashleys eye because he wont send anythig however can you tell me what u have won in the last 5 years thats right fuck all same as us the toon army remember we will support you ever more and eve had nothing to support
  • bushy81  - change of subject
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    old bertie mee said to Joe Harvey have you heard of the north bank highbury no said Joe i dont think so but have you heard of the Leazes agro
  • Anonymous  - edward scissor hand
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    :shock: i dont know who this bushy 81 person is but its nice to see some on on this blog who knows what he is talking about
  • bushy81
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    im a toon fan home and away and im shocked how perfetic your acting you need to grow up and get a life i would be embrassed if this was my teams site u wouldnt see a team with keown adams dixon veira etc given up a lead like you did yesterday you might play great football but you ll win the same as us under keegan and that is nothing to write home about face up to it your simply not good enough hahahahahahaha
  • Anonymous  - did u steel my lap top ?
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    the only reasson there is not many arsenal fans on is cause they carnt afford computers ans the arsenal fans that are on this sight are the ones that got lucky when burglin some ones house and got a lap top :oops:
  • toon
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    :wink: just woke up see they is some good things on this site now, will be telling all my toon mates to use this site from now on, but you must change the name to toon army site, because they are no arsenal fans on it, we dont mind you spurs fans your my 2nd team
  • toon
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    see you soon ,toon army
  • Anonymous
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    I want 50,000 gooners to rip into Dowd for 90 mins every time he sets foot on our turf

    well said! 8)
  • MeanLean
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    Goodbye toon,Anonymous, we h8 ARSENAL, WBA, astonvillafan, rob and all the rest.
  • ross  - ummmmm
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    tbh mate got about 3 paragraphs into this article and realised the rest did not deserve to be read. this whole blame culture is ridiculous. im an arsenal fan btw. everyone seems to forget newcastle had a perfectly good goal disallowed, van persie goal was marginally offside so could have gone either way. I know the general rule is give the advantage to the attacking team but when have u last seen that rule actively carried out? literally no need for this huge blame game, yeh some of decisions were a bit of a joke, but everyone gets a fair share across the seasons, sometimes minor majority in your favour, other times a minority. We have had our fair share across seasons. lets focus more on the fact we collapsed when we were 4-0 up. thats the real issue we need to focus upon, not on witch hunts to blame and shame referees. you've got a responsibilty to right decent, fair and well balanced articles.
  • ross
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    and mate, 'arsenal against the world', literally get over yourself and pull your head out of your arse. starting to sound just as pretencious as barcelona
  • CHGooner  - Pathetic
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    Josh, your article is absolutely pathetic and embarrasing. We threw away a 4-0 lead against a promoted team that had just sold their main striker and the other one was injured. On the decisions, the second penalty was a poor one but then again they had a perfectly good goal ruled out. Diaby is a pathetic idiot and making excuses for him is exactly why things like that happen to us time and again. The tackle from Barton was aggressive but he made contact with the ball in front of Diaby and his foot was on the ground (as was the ball) so it was neither high nor reckless. if Diaby was to react as he did to every similar challenge he would spend a lot of time suspended. No you cannot blame the referee. I am a bit ashamed of my fellow gooners who moan and whinge. let's face facts, we are the absolute masters of the 'crumble' when put under any pressure. The fact that our Lord and master of aoll that is great admitted taht he thought the game was never over at 4-0 shows you that even he has no faith in us to protect ANY sort of lead!! Soft mentally and physically, have been for years and will always remain so while AW is in charge. By the way bringing on Eboue to sure it up???? Thank God we didn't have Denilson available, had he brought that clown on (as he almost certainly would have done) we would be dissecting a defeat rather than a draw.
  • MeanLean
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    CHGooner,

    Your reaction is that of a rival fan. Put all the blame on those who you dislike. Wenger, Eboue, Denilson who didn't even feature but because you dislike these people so much you cannot wait to stick the boot in.

    I think you have praised the team once in the last year after a victory. You never come on to say how well the team have performed over the season.

    You wouldn't mention that Cesc tripped one of their players unnecessary which gave them a freekick which resulted in a goal because he is one of the few that you actually support.

    I am sure Josh is not suggesting that Wenger or the team are blameless in the result we should have kept the ball better but how you can disregard the performance of the officials and assume that it had no impact on the game is just sheer delusion.

    "Diaby is a pathetic idiot"

    That is easy to say from a person who cares very little about the players who wear the red and white. I suppose you think it is fair game to kick and break our players legs. They should just get on it with shouldn't they?
    How many times has Diaby (alone) been assaulted on the pitch? How many breaks or injuries has he suffered from reckless tackles?
    If you think Barton's 'tackle' was ok then I question your knowledge on what is fair and what is dangerous.

    Have a look at the rules of what is and what isn't a dangerous tackle. Did Barton win the ball? yes he did. Did he intentionally follow through with his knee onto Diaby's standing leg? I advise you to have a look again.

    I can understand your frustration though. A manager and his group of foreign players have managed to find themselves in four competitions and second in the league (four points off the top) on a fraction of the budget spent by our rivals.

    It does your continuous argument no good does it so why not bash when you get the chance. Not often is it?
  • CHGooner
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    Sorry you are right. It was the refs fault. Nothing we can do about that is there? On the Barton 'challenge' I have looked at it several times and there is nothing to warrant Diaby's reaction. If he reacts like that because a player collides with his standing leg which seems to be the basis of your justification then he is how I described him 'a pathetic idiot'. Many palyers have suffered bad injuries buit taht does not entitle them to attaclk players who tackle them.

    ML you can moan at me as much as you like and throw the 'we're in the hunt for four trophies' line about as justification but saturday was ridiculous and just showed where we really are. We can be great (1st half) but we can also be pathetic (2nd half) Arsene has utterly failed to build a winning mentality. He indulges players who should be told to sort out or ship out, overpays mediocrity and has bought a succession (of mostlt French) dud centre backs. The weakest Premiership for years has given us an opportunity we would not normally have with our results but I have no faith in our ability to 'close the deal'. it could be our last chance as Man City will do whatever it takes to win it, but I don't believe we will. That is sad really. We have some great players and are not far off being a great team but he won't do what me and others have been screaming for years so we won't achieve what we should.
  • MeanLean
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    I would argue that the Premier League is the strongest it has been for a while because it is no longer easy to go to most grounds and win. I would guess that you admire Manchester United for their British winning mentality and collection of English players. Well they lost to a bottom side on the weekend. So try and ridicule us as much as you want for being French but the actual facts state that we are 2nd in the league and four points off the top.

    Dud center backs? Are you saying that Laurent Koscielny is a dud? The French manager and run of league clean sheets before the weekend gives me a different answer.

    We are not perfect, we have to sort out why we crumble when we have establish a lead and the opposition score but you can pretend that we are not a good team all you like.

    I have been rewatching our victories and the way we win games, whilst I guess you ignore them, waiting for a slip up. We have won the most amount of games in the league this season and own the best away record so far.

    If that cannot make you happy then nothing will.

    Question. If we do the unthinkable this season and win a big trophy (not including the Carling cup) will you credit the team and Wenger? or will you think of another way of criticising your club?
  • CHGooner
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    ML, I will be very happy if we win the FA Cup. I really can't see us winning the Prem or The Champions League so that is our best chance. Will you be happy if we win nothing or the Carling?

    My views on Man U is that they are nowhere near the side they were two years ago. Chelsea same. Tottenham and Man City have improved hugely. We have improved a bit with the emergence of Jack, improvement of Song and the acquisition of Vermaelen.

    Stepanovs, Cygan, Senderos, Silvestre, Squillaci all terrble, all played far more than they ever should. Koscielny is ok but only in comparison with that lot. Is he as good as Ferdinand, Vidic, Terry etc? Nowhere near.

    Anyway, let's stick to the point. 4-0 up to 4-4. Not really the behaviour of champions is it? Remember the 4-4 against Tottenham, the 2-3 this season, Wigan, West Ham? We are not really what you might call 'solid' are we? :-)

    The point is it is the same behaviour, same weaknesses, same excuses that p*ss me and many of our fellow gooners off. Why didn't he buy Cahill or Wheater? Or even Samba? Why does he indulge players like Denilson, Eboue, Clichy, Squillaci, Rosicky who weaken the team every time they play by a sizable margin?

    The term 'groundhog day' is overused these days, but it really does feel like that every time we do 'stupid' AGAIN.
  • MeanLean
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    "Will you be happy if we win nothing or the Carling? "

    As fans you want to win it all, you are never happy if you do not win the league title. But I like to think that we do not have a divine right to win the top title. I think we are good enough to and I also think Man U and Chelsea are good enough to win it also. Two of us will be disappointed.

    As long as we are learning from mistakes and improving then I am happy. We have learnt from many mistakes, like I said we are not perfect but we are now defending as a team, we are not getting hit on the counter as often and we have been tough to break down away from home.

    You are talking about certain players in the squad that you do not like then you talk about Cahill or bloody Wheater. If we had Wheater and he was French then you would be lambasting him.

    You are acting as if you have top knowledge of talent and the Arsenal coaching team do not. Come on, be serious.

    You cannot have a squad where every member of the squad is the best in the world in his position. It is not possible.

    You may laugh at our defensive record but the statistics say that our goal difference is one of the best. We concede more than the other top teams because we score more, we commit more players forward compared to the likes of Man City or Chelsea for example.

    You say that you would be happy if we won the FA Cup but would you honestly be happy. Would you be content if Arsenal won the title?

    I don't doubt that you support the club but I am not convinced that you will totally be happy with a squad and manager that is not dominated by Brits. You have made that point pretty clear in the past.

    Is this the case? Honest question as I know someone who no longer follows Arsenal because he cannot identify with the club.
  • CHGooner
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    ML,

    The Arsenal coaching staff and AW in particular are paid fortunes (partly from our pockets) to identify top talent, I'm not sadly. His track record with foreign centre halves is p*ss poor. Squillaci is the last in an undistinguished line of rubbish i'm afraid. You laugh at Wheater but he is a commanding centre had who would win us balls in the air. Not everyone has to be a fancy dan, and particularly not defenders. I would prefer we had more British/Irish players and I think I speak for a large majority of Arsenal fans on that one. It is actually improving with Jack and Gibbs and hopefully one or two more coming through, but it is the TYPE of player that concerns me most. We have too many players of the type he likes and not enough of the others. That is one reason why we cannot roll up our sleeves and battle it out and why we haven't won anything for 5 seasons despite having some fantastic talent. That and the abysmal coaching, tactical naivety, the moaning and whingeing, and smug acceptance of second best.
  • toon
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    were back
  • bushy81
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    :cry:
  • toon
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    i see mr Arsenal vision does not like it when he gets some true words said about the rubbish article(injustice) from his own fans, i was talking to some of your fans after the game at sj park and the only ones they were calling was there own players,so mr Arsenal Vision take your dark glasses off, why dont you not blame your manager for poor game play in the 2nd half, you must be mates because he wears them dark glasses as well, as he never sees any takles by your team, ,get real mate. : :lol: :lol: :lol:
  • toon
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    were is your reply mr chukle vision? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
  • toon
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    still NO reply :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: no just blame the ref :shock:
  • ross
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    stand by what i said, but would like to distance myself from ch gooner. i think this article is rightly criticised but on the whole i have been very impressed this season. its probably right to say no other team would collapse they way we did, but that seems to be the mordern arsenal team under wenger. we can be breathtakingly beautiful to watch at times and dangerously flimsy and frustrating at others. but we have definbitely come on leaps and bounds this season, but lets have a fair analysis as we hit the middle to end of the season. i would be so happy with carling cup and fa cup tbh. not saying easy as that but wouldnt be a bad start eh. Come on the arsenal
  • Anonymous  - sapman
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    lol...sad git this ch

    if you cant understand that with youth comes inconsistency then dont follow arsenal for a while

    our captain is 23 and a kid that didnt grow up with arsenal flags in his room like ashley cole.......yet he risks his legs plays his heart out for the club, never complains. always performs.

    and if you cant understand why wenger had to opt with youth till the club repays stadium and stands on its own two feet financially then dont critisise cause change comes in phases and during 2005-2007 the club went through its biggest change in its history. and the change from when wenger took over to now is the change youd likely meet at a club done in a whole century and not 15 years ......

    and dont give me b*llocks about english defenders ..john terry...drove his defensive line up the half way line vs germany like a mug..destroyed ...and if you had carvalho next to you , youd also look good for a while. rio ferdinand..slow with back problem ..his only use is to bring ball forward ..vidic takes care of bruising people..messi scored with a header ..rio was jaywalking ..

    as for tactics...again youre wrong..same tactics employd by world class beaters like veiera bergkamp pires henry ljunberg gilberto campbell toure etc not only wins titles but wins them unbeaten.....dont let our young current players naivety fool you ...when this bunhc hits their prime ..which is still 2 to 3 years away and ocmbined with the fact everyone around us will be collapsing wenger and arsenal will be the only ones to take advantage of situation

    dont let the tree hide the forrest behind it. the team needs support .they have a chance of winning it..and direct your venom to the refs and fine brittish media who are the real c*nts that hold us back and not to the manager who took the dysfunctional club of alcoholics and turned it into a point of reference in 21st centruy football
  • sapman
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    A manager and his group of foreign players have managed to find themselves in four competitions and second in the league (four points off the top) on a fraction of the budget spent by our rivals.


    no the natives dont like that at all

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