Written by Omomo14 on Tuesday, 18 October 2011 09:11

A win against a Sunderland side that has troubled us in recent seasons is a welcomed boast. We struggled to make our dominance count and had to wait till the 81st minute to be sure of all 3 points.

I won't be going into details of the match rather all I will be doing is looking at the players that most impressed me in the game.

1. Szczesny

In as much as Szczesny has down played his massive contribution in the game, electing to praise RVP's star performance, I on the other hand can't help but wonder what our fate would be like had Szczesny not made that WORLD CLASS save to deny Cattermole and Sunderland from taking the lead at the tail end of the 1st half.

That save alone was the difference between winning or losing. Szczesny has grown in stature, commanding in the box and also a great talker. His confidence is very telling and it transmits to our back line.

2. Jenkinson

Jenkinson has become an easy target for Arsenal fans to hit on forgetting he is a young player that was bought from a League 1 side.

Whilst agree that he isn't ready for the big time, we can't take away his top notch performance against Sunderland.

He was defensively sound and shut out the advances of Larsson, we should also note that Larsson was substituted and was poor and only had 1 moment of magic which was from his well struck free kick which left Szczesny for dead.

Offensively he was a livewire, he and Walcott did well to peg Richardson back. He also had a fair share of crosses into the Sunderland's box.

According to @arsenalreport on twitter, Carl Jenkinson made 2 key passes, had 89% passing accuracy, attempted 8 long balls (8 successful) and 7 crosses (1 successful).

Its just so sad that some supporters have written him off so early even though he is a player that is young and has the potential to improve his game massively.

3. Song

If not for the 2 goals RVP scored, Song for me would have been my man of the match.

Song was at his monstrous best, won almost everything, strong on the ball and tracked back the oppositions runners. He also helped in the final third and linked up well with Arteta and Rosicky.

I'm liking the fact that he and Arteta are striking a formidable partnership and games together would only make them a UNIT.

All in all he was impressive and allowed us to keep knocking on the Sunderland's door in the 2nd half.

4. Rosicky

If Rosicky stays fit and I hope he does, getting into the side for Ramsey becomes a lot harder.

In the 1st half , Rosicky didn't really stamp his authority on the game but he showed a couple of times if he gets going he can be a threat in the attacking' third.

On came the 2nd half and on came the Rosicky that I've admired for a long time. The 1st 15 - 25 mins , Rosicky was at his very best. His technique showed, burst of pace on the turn and ability to make that telling pass.

Our play went through him and his quality was glaring. Its time for him to do it on a consistent basis because at the moment he his key to our attacking play.

5. Robin van Persie

Two Words : Captain Fantastic.
His quality is a beautiful sight to behold, he took his 2 goals beautifully and set us up for the 3 pts.

His 1st goal was exquisite. Gervinho got the ball on the far side on the left, drifted in field and made a simple pass to RVP who dropped his shoulder shifted the ball to the other side with his right foot, beat Turner and fired home from just outside the box with his right foot to give us the lead.

His second goal was something we don't see often even though he is capable of doing it consistently. The free kick was from his doings, inviting Wes Brown to trip him just outside the box. He picked himself up and fired home the resulting free kick to hand us the lead and the win.

RVP has been in a rich vain of form in his last 32 games, scoring 27 goals. I really do not know where we would have been without his goals.

He has less than 2 yrs left in his current contract, Arsenal and Wenger must do all in their power to make him commit to us.

A win against Sunderland is exactly the tonic we need to keep pushing for near perfection.

The pace of our passing was up a notch on Sunday largely because our midfield worked well and were industrious.

Sunderland's Collback had a couple of nice words to say about our play after the game;

"Obviously we played Chelsea at home but I don't think they move it around as quick as Arsenal.

They make the pitch really big and they're constantly rotating so you don't really get a chance to have a breather.''

All in all we get back on track which is a big positive. Attention now shifts to Marseille in the Champions League, a positive result at the Velodrome is what the team needs to build on the low confidence.

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Comments (81)

• 18-Oct-2011 09:34 | | brian
  

  Agree with most of your comments apart from
  1}Song was certainly immense in the holding role but his shocking use of the ball was in-excusable.With our less than confident defending it is imperative that we dont give the ball away too cheaply and he spent the whole game turning the ball over with quite dreadful passing.
  2}I thought mention should be made of the impact of the substitutes.Arshavin and Santos gave the team so much more than Gervinho and Gibbs and Benoyun apart from one sloppy pass added some good direct possession football.

• 18-Oct-2011 09:38 | | asrulgunners
  

  well said... good article.. enjoy reading this..

• 18-Oct-2011 09:43 | | MeanLean
  

  I think Song's passing only fell short in the final third but for the most part he used the ball very well.
  
  Like you, I thought Arshavin was superb when he came on and Santos looked steady. I would love to see more of this Arshavin. Hopefully this is a start of things to come and not just a glimpse.

• 18-Oct-2011 10:17 | | Aleks
  

  Top notch performance for Jenkinson??? Yes he is young and inexperienced, but it not an excuse for such undeserved praise. He was so vulnerable it would be a crime using him against even a slightly stronger side. The way he was robbed by Larsson was simply unacceptable, thank god Szczesny saved us with that WORLD CLASS save. We could have easily lost because of his mistake and even here his performance would have not be praised as top notch. Statistics are deceptive here - on most occasions the guy just tried to give the simplest pass possible and basically get rid of the ball asap. As for crosses - 1 out of 7 - hardly top notch either. I like Jenkinson a lot, but he is simply not ready yet for EPL. He was visibly shaken at times. I hope he will get better, but he needs to get better quickly and it is so difficult. the guy has a mountain to climb, lets hope he will not fall from it.

• 18-Oct-2011 10:20 | | codaponz  - PERFECT ARSENAL.
  

  The long awaited ferfect no two has arrived atlast.Jekinson excellence perfomance last weekend left me so amazed and i almost died with happiness.Being young, he gave his best and excellence combination in the midfield btn song arteta and rosicky not forgetting RVP left us with some hope ARSENAL OYEE.

• 18-Oct-2011 10:33 | | AlexC
  

  AND RVP's chip.... it was Bergkamp all over again, gutted it hit the post though.

• 18-Oct-2011 10:33 | | Kevtheyid
  

  Half the team want out,half the fans don't go.your ground looked like wigans on Saturday ha ha ha ha hs

• 18-Oct-2011 10:41 | | MeanLean
  

  Forever in our shadow

• 18-Oct-2011 10:41 | | MeanLean
  

  Really did deserve better didn't it?

• 18-Oct-2011 10:49 | | AlexC
  

  For sure. It was so instictive, he did that slip and role the ball with his back to the player. Seen DB10 do that many a time and it works so well. Love it!

• 18-Oct-2011 10:55 | | Kevtheyid
  

  Forever in are European shadow,rob the rapist out next

• 18-Oct-2011 10:57 | | MeanLean
  

  "Forever in are European..."
  
  Sorry I didn't understand that.

• 18-Oct-2011 10:57 | | AlexC
  

  Why dont you find somewhere else to post you knob jockey. This site isn';t for morons like you.

• 18-Oct-2011 11:06 | | Kevtheyid
  

  Ok alexcunt,I will try le grove or arse anal arse anal,thanks ur right this site isn't for morons like me it's for ball bags like you.weres woolish?

• 18-Oct-2011 11:09 | | MeanLean
  

  Everyone say goodbye to Kev now. It is time to get back to school. Play time is over

• 18-Oct-2011 11:48 | | pizzy05  - Good Vibes
  

  A fantastic win, and finally some good vibes. RVP is a demi-god, TR7 is on his way back, Song is 9/10(will give him the final mark when he priotizes his primary duty of shielding his defence), Jenks is beginning to show he deserves to live the dream, the BFG(Per Adams?) is a calming influence, and Chezzer? Well, we finally have our own WALL!!! UP THE GUNNERS!!! Now where is Spectrum?

• 18-Oct-2011 11:57 | | mr h
  

  thanks for that
  
  why do some schmucks have to come and rain on the parade.
  
  Speaking of... Where's my favourite fan Speccy? Never near when a win is in the air...
  
  "In Wenger I Motherf***ing Trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

• 18-Oct-2011 12:24 | | Spectrum
  

  AlexC - Yes, Robin was the standout. We'll certainly miss him when he leaves at the end of the season, as looks likely. Never mind, though. We've got Joel Campbell to take over his mantle. Makes you feel great, doesn't it ?
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• 18-Oct-2011 12:26 | | Spectrum
  

  Kevtheyid - Sadly, you're right.
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• 18-Oct-2011 12:31 | | AlexC
  

  Surely he wont leave his beloved Arsenal. He loves Arsenal and has always shown that. I could only see him wanting to go if he wasn't getting any service from midfield but the way he's scoring this season I'm not worried yet. Maybe Arsene will buy another star buy in January that will please him further. Maybe the board will also reconsider the wage strategy by the end of the season too and give him something else to think about.

• 18-Oct-2011 12:34 | | MeanLean
  

  Spectrum in agreeing with Spurs troll shocker!

• 18-Oct-2011 12:37 | | Spectrum
  

  mr h - "Rain on the PARADE " ? A parade suggests something joyous, a celebration. It was a win. An routine one, if we're truthful, but I'll take it just the same.
  As for me "never near when a win is in the air." You came in late on that one. I've already given my view of the match the other day. Do try to keep up.
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• 18-Oct-2011 12:45 | | sabregas  - impact players
  

  think arshavin deserves an honorable mention - subbed on late, but I feel he was getting back to arshavin of old. Looked lively, great on the ball and he wanted to be involved. I especially liked him moving centrally and linking up the midfield with RVP

• 18-Oct-2011 12:45 | | Spectrum
  

  pizzy05 - A.K.B.'s - full of exaggeration and hyperbole. " Fantastic win". "live the dream" ? I'll put your excitement down to Wenger signing your autograph book before the match.
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• 18-Oct-2011 12:54 | | MeanLean
  

  He certainly looked like the Arshavin we bought. It is a massive shame that we haven't been able to see that consistently. I hope we see more of that.

• 18-Oct-2011 12:55 | | MeanLean
  

  Spectrum,
  
  Do you get any enjoyment out of Arsenal? Also how old are you in if you don't mind me asking?

• 18-Oct-2011 13:31 | | Spectrum
  

  Mean Lean - He said ; " Half the team want out,half the fans don't go.your ground looked like wigans on Saturday ha ha ha ha hs "
  
  As much as it hurts us, it's true. Where is he wrong ? He may be a Spurs troll, but that is beside the point.He's a shit stirrer, but at least he's a realist. A.K.B.'s in denial again, as usual.
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• 18-Oct-2011 13:53 | | Spectrum
  

  Mean Lean - I'll enjoy it much more when we're going in the right direction.Unless you call languishing in the mid to lower part of the table "progress." It's about that perspective thing.
  
  I've said I'm satisfied with the win. I've said Van Persie is a top player, but I'm also realistic enough to know and SAY, that I predict he'll be leaving at the end of the season. That's what's called BALANCE ( with a dash of justifiable sarcasm thrown in ).
  
  I'm an analytical type person. It's beneficial to examine all facets of an argument, and then you get a more rounded outlook.It's not that I don't get enjoyment from Arsenal, it's that I have high standards, as I've said before.
  And what does age have to do with it ? You want to accuse me of being juvenile, I suppose ? In fact, you've already asked that before, and I answered it. ( You might be developing Wenger's affliction ).
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• 18-Oct-2011 14:02 | | Spectrum
  

  Mean Lean and sabregas - Totally agree with you both on Arshavin. He did look more like the player we bought. We SHOULD be playing him centrally. I and many others, including on here, have been saying so for ages. I reckon we'll see much more from him that way. As we would with Theo if he was played up front with Robin. Someone on Le Grove said that he could be the new Michael Owen if he was.
  
  But we know why these moves aren't happening don't we ?
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• 18-Oct-2011 14:21 | | Spectrum
  

  I've posted this before, but given the continuing controversy over transfers and wages, it's worth another look ; http://le-grove.co.uk/tag/manchester-united/
  
  A key point in the summary ; "Arsene Wenger is solely responsible for wages and the players we buy ".
  
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• 18-Oct-2011 14:22 | | pizzy05  - Arsenal till eternity(even after Arsene)
  

  Good friend, I'm currently on an exchange program in Africa, so I miss those autograph sessions. but didn't you enjoy the win? we weren't perfect, but we were good. so a fantastic win(in your world, one might add "despite Wenger", right?
  In Spectrum we hate....

• 18-Oct-2011 14:29 | | pizzy05
  

  plus, aren't you happy for Jenks, a gooner fan living the dream? I bet you didn't respect Cesc's decision to go home and play for his idol... oh! you're one of those who felt he left for trophies! darn!!! Wish you can go for trophies too.

• 18-Oct-2011 15:06 | | Spectrum
  

  AlexC - Cesc left us though. And he was reluctant to. Sure the lure of Barca was strong. But he'd made it quite clear that he wanted the success that comes with winning silverware. And he'd had enough of waiting for it with us. If we'd bought in the players Cesc expected us to, he most likely would have stayed. Along with perhaps, Nasri and Clichy, who also felt the same. ( Albeit that Nasri was also greedy too ).
  
  Van Persie is in the same frame of mind as them. He knows we're devoid of ambition. And he's likely packing his bags. We're losing the core of our team, and nothing is being done to reverse it.
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• 18-Oct-2011 15:14 | | Feeno
  

  Spectrum when can we expect you to depart?

• 18-Oct-2011 15:15 | | Spectrum
  

  pizzy05 - He DID leave for trophies.Whilst the pull of Barca was also a factor, it wasn't the main reason he went.But the A.K.B.'s use it as a smokescreen to hide that fact.
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• 18-Oct-2011 15:16 | | Feeno
  

  your a fuckin fanny mate, thats what you are

• 18-Oct-2011 15:20 | | Feeno
  

  Do you think it should be devolved to idiots like Damian Comolli who go out and buys the players that are linked to Arsenal through hit hungry blogs and eager agents.
  
  Do you even think through what you ask for? Do you even know what you want? Can you tie your own shoe laces??

• 18-Oct-2011 15:21 | | Spectrum
  

  Thanks for your valued contribution, Feeno.
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• 18-Oct-2011 15:29 | | Feeno
  

  I calls it like i sees it

• 18-Oct-2011 15:30 | | Spectrum
  

  Feeno - And your take on the Cesc / Van Persie issue ?
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• 18-Oct-2011 15:42 | | Spectrum
  

  Incidentally, Mean Lean - Regarding those empty seats. Could it be due to some of those season ticket holders not bothering to turn up ? I've read that a fair few of them haven't been renewing. These aren't the casual fans, they're the regulars, committed followers.
  And have you a comment on why more matches at the Emirates have been going on general sale ?
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• 18-Oct-2011 15:50 | | Spectrum
  

  Feeno - Did you even bother to read the Le Grove article ? Can you even try to understand it ? This was information gleaned ( that's a big word for you ) from the board by the Arsenal Supporters Trust.
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• 18-Oct-2011 15:55 | | Spectrum
  

  Feeno - Can I get you a white cane to go with those sunglasses ?
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• 18-Oct-2011 15:59 | | Feeno
  

  Can i get you some more sand for your vagina?
  
  
  Your patter is as rank as your opinions.

• 18-Oct-2011 16:10 | | Spectrum
  

  Feeno - Big on abuse, small on debate.
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• 18-Oct-2011 16:26 | | Gunning4Glory  - Song's passing.
  

  If you look at the chalkboards Song made 53 of 64 attempted passes. This is a better return than his previous two matches.

• 18-Oct-2011 16:29 | | pizzy05
  

  Nope. I disagree with you, based on the things Cesc said since the transfer and the whole BarcaDNA affair. Consider Henry, when he left he alluded to the fact that he was 29 and couldn't wait for Wenger's project youth to win the UCL. compare that with Cesc's return to his homeland to play for his idol. Then compare that to Clichy/Nasri's staements since they left. You'll see who left for trophies.
  but that isn't the issue here, is it? tell me, how was the performance, and how about "gooner" Jenkinson? Pls no more of Cesc and the ex gooners...
  and the ex gooner to be(in your opinion)...

• 18-Oct-2011 16:36 | | Feeno
  

  Big on abusing you, i'll debate sensible people that are Arsenal fans, not morons looking for bother.
  
  anyway its funnier to me to do what im doin than gettin angry at a idiot, i just cant believe there are people in the world like you, it makes me sad for humanity and rather than face up to the realization that some people are ungrateful no marks with a shred of decency and respect, i make jokes. Sorry its at your expense but in this tale speccy ya welt you're the idiot.

• 18-Oct-2011 16:38 | | Feeno
  

  Le grove??? im not reading that shite.
  
  Gleaned? is that where the information is hand picked to further an agenda, i think it is.

• 19-Oct-2011 04:12 | | Spectrum
  

  Feeno - Everything's a conspiracy to A.K.B. 's isn't it ?
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• 19-Oct-2011 04:29 | | Spectrum
  

  pizzy05 - Sorry, mate. Read this article http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/19/arsenal-cesc-fabregas- arsene-wenger
  
  You can sense the disillusionment and frustration in hiis comments. He's had enough. It's pretty obvious." But I imagine there will be a moment when you have to decide: do you win things or not?"
  
  and - " But from 2007 on, I started to say: 'We don't win but we play very well.' And after that you realise that it doesn't work. You enjoy it, during a part of the season, like this year when we were in four different competitions and you say: 'Here, I have it all.' But then you cannot make the final step and it is here where a decision has to be made: to go out to win or to develop players."
  
  Note he says "Here you cannot make the FINAL step." - He's saying that although we play well, we can't actually win a trophy.That we should stop relying on kids, and sign quality experienced players.
  
  "The day that I leave Arsenal, it will be with my head"..... That's him saying he realises the assurances of success made to him by Wenger, are not going to materialise.
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  He also takes a swipe at Wenger's Project Youth policy - "You will not see me [convinced by an ambitious project]."

• 19-Oct-2011 08:37 | | Feeno
  

  I never said conspiracy Spectrum, you feeling guilty?
  
  I said agenda, you allready have admitted that you want Arsene and the board out, that is your agenda, all the information you use, all your arguing is to that end. You consistantly ignore supporting arguments and try and find the negative, no matter how ludicrous.

• 19-Oct-2011 08:37 | | MeanLean
  

  "You want to accuse me of being juvenile"
  
  Whoa! Hold your horses, that came from you, I didn't say such a thing. I am just trying to understand where you are coming from.
  
  We are different type of fans it seems. I support the club for erm being Arsenal. I will enjoy the good times even if the overall picture isn't as bright as it was yesterday. In my world 'high standards' have nothing to do with anything because it is not down to you to have high standards it is down to the people in charge.
  
  You talk about balance as if you have any. You have never praised Arsene Wenger for anything because you have no balance. You have stood on the anti Wenger side for so long that you would not want to make yourself look silly.
  
  I have criticized Wenger and the board but also dish out praise where I see fit, not that I have any say over how things are done because I am a 'supporter'
  
  Your side of the fence seems as if you can only enjoy anything to do with Arsenal if your 'high standards' are met. Supporting Arsenal for being Arsenal doesn't exist to a 'realist'
  
  I asked your age because if you were a post Wenger fan then I would understand your behaviour a little more. I go further back than that and have watched an average Arsenal side finish in midtable but I still enjoyed every single Ian Wright goal or Merson pass because I learned to support the club and not success. You do not seem to understand that way of thinking and this is where we will never agree.
  
  You will bitch and moan until the club achieve success. I will enjoy, feel every high and low until we achieve success. That is the difference.

• 19-Oct-2011 08:40 | | pika
  

  nice one feeno

• 19-Oct-2011 08:45 | | MeanLean
  

  "You want to accuse me of being juvenile, I suppose ?" = "In Arsene we rust"
  
  Erm..... Mature?

• 19-Oct-2011 08:45 | | pika
  

  You consistantly ignore supporting arguments and try and find the negative, no matter how ludicrous
  
  
  CANT DENY THAT CAN YOU RECTUM ?
  
  
  haha

• 19-Oct-2011 10:24 | | Spectrum
  

  Mean Lean - I suppose I could say the same of "In Arsene we trust." But deluded as it is, I accept that that is what you believe. It's simply two sides of the coin.
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• 19-Oct-2011 11:31 | | Spectrum
  

  Mean Lean - Alright then. Fair enough. Now that I see where you're coming from, the answer is I'm 55. I'm English ( still ) and have lived in Australia since 1966. Have followed Arsenal since 26th May 1989.You may recall I wrote a recent post on here about that memorable night at Anfield. So like you, I've been following the club a long time. Although I was not privileged enough to attend the matches of course, I remember the George Graham days. So please refrain from doubting me on what it means to be an Arsenal supporter.As I said in my post, I have a book on Arsenal's early history - the Bertie Mee, Herbert Chapman eras, e.t.c.
  
  Again you make the common and erroneous presumption that because I'm against the manager, I don't / can't support Arsenal itself. I've been over this point many times. And you should know by now it is a fallacy.
  
  You insist I have no balance.( That's pretty rich coming from an A.K.B.) ! I have said numerous times that I admire and respect what he has done for us in the past. I enjoyed the good times he brought us, the magnificent unbeaten "Invincibles" side e.t.c.. Full credit to him for that. That is part of our history, and we should be proud of that.We still can be. Whenever he goes he'll leave us that legacy for which we'll always be grateful. See ? I don't have a problem praising him. He's earned it.
  
  But from that point on, is where we diverge sharply. This is where the concept of balance comes in. Wenger has steadily declined over many years now, ( or do you still think he's every bit the same guy he was at his peak ? ) There are so many examples of this, that I and others have documented, that it's surely indisputable. IF you are objective about it. ( But even if you don't consider yourself to be an A.K.B. you have to admit that most of them are anything but objective - pika being an extreme case in point -agreed ? ). I guess the reason I appear to you to be "anti Arsenal" is because most of our problems originate from Wenger. And as he is the man in charge of the team, naturally some of the criticisms of him will rub off on the team. It's unfortunate, but unavoidable. Ultimately, it's HIS team isn't it ? Moulded in HIS image. And just as he was praised by all when he was new and on top of his game, so should he equally be criticised and held to account when through his faults, negligence and incompetence, the club and team underachieve and underperform. It wouldn't be justified if it was just THIS season that this occurred. But it's been YEAR AFTER YEAR of it, and the same failures keep arising.
  
  All we realists have the guts to speak out about this, because we care, and have passion for seeing the standards I mentioned, maintained. Those standards haven't been met. I mean on AND OFF the field. In EVERY area. So I disagree with you. As supporters we SHOULD set standards . They're the benchmark for how we judge ourselves as a club, and the progress we're making. If we don't have them to measure against, then we become complacent and apathetic. Like the board and Wenger are now.
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• 19-Oct-2011 11:44 | | Spectrum
  

  Feeno - Oh like the media also had an agenda ? And you A.K.B.'s didn't think that was a conspiracy ?
  
  And your "supporting arguments" are attempts to preserve the status quo. Excuses to avoid dealing with issues you'd rather not face up to.Given all that's happened over the last seven years, you still try to justify the mess we've created for ourselves.
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• 19-Oct-2011 12:09 | | Feeno
  

  you're not a realist, you're a very naughty boy.

• 19-Oct-2011 12:14 | | Spectrum
  

  Your view on Cesc's comments. Mean ? Pretty clear to me.
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• 19-Oct-2011 12:29 | | Spectrum
  

  Feeno - Thanks. But I'm really NOT your messiah. You already HAVE one, remember ? Pity his days of performing miracles are well and truly over.
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• 19-Oct-2011 14:44 | | Feeno
  

  he pisses you off on the regular, thats good enough for me and my high standards of making idiots lose their minds lolololololololol

• 19-Oct-2011 14:46 | | Feeno
  

  no fandan our supporting arguments are the truth, actual fact, real things that have happened, not words from people who are being paid to discredit the club ie Ian Wright or from racist websites like Le Grove.
  
  "Mess we've created for ourselves" what the hell are you smoking pal?

• 19-Oct-2011 23:19 | | pizzy05  - The Guradian?
  

  I'm sorry for my late response Specs, but believe me, I do not have an iota of trust in the Guardian or the British media(a perspective from the outside can be very informative; they're journalistic Judases), so do not expect me to believe the interview. I prefer video footage, so some sky clip(or ESPN) may work. However, this is beside the point. Cesc is gone(for now or forever) and his motives doesn't really concern me now.
  So how did you see "gooner Jenks" performance? (as of now, he has impressed me again with another solid show against Marseille; pity he too got injured) Pls reply to this, since you obviously do not realise he's living the 'dream'.

• 20-Oct-2011 08:35 | | Spectrum
  

  pizzy 05 - You sure seem anxious to know what I thought of Jenkinson's performance. By "living the dream" I take it you mean him being an Arsenal fan himself ? Well it certainly helps when that is the case. Having the passion that comes with loving the club you play for, guarantees he'll put in the effort. I suggest in that case, that we should ONLY sign players who are also Gunners fans. It could well improve our performances !!! ( just kidding, as it would be impractical to do ).
  Overall, I think Jenkinson has much potential. However, I don't think he's ready for the first team just yet. Needs more time to get some experience under his belt. Now, he is a good example of the type of player we SHOULD be loaning out. We have too many on the loan list who aren't good enough to make it at Arsenal. This kid I think, will. It's a pity he's had to be thrown in the deep end so soon, due to Wenger not having a specialist experienced backup. He's had one or two really good matches for us. And also a couple of times he has not looked Premier League standard. I didn't see the Marseille match, so I can't comment on him in that. But from what you say, I'm delighted that he played well. He is a better crosser of the ball than Sagna. But given the team's indifferent form, I think he should be told to stay back and do what he is meant to do - defend.
  
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• 20-Oct-2011 08:56 | | Spectrum
  

  pizzy05 - I can assure you that Cesc's comments are absolutely true. There are plenty of sources that will confirm it. Just do a Google search if you don't want to believe the Guardian. The A.K.B.'s have convinced themselves that every single press and electronic media outlet in Britain publish lies and mistruths about us. Which amounts to paranoia.
  
  And if you don't want to believe British reports, there's sure to be plenty of overseas organisations that have covered the story. As is typical of A.K.B.'s however, they're afraid to check, because they know I am telling the truth. And that would shatter the illusion that it was really because of Barca.
  
  Oh, and now Wenger will convince them that if Van Persie leaves, it will be because of the money, not because ( like Cesc, Nasri and Clichy ), they want winners medals pinned on their chests. Does anyone really believe that Robin would ever leave for money alone ? After being with us for what - eight years of loyal service ?
  
  But with Wenger's recent comments, his sheep will believe just that.They believe everything else he says.
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• 20-Oct-2011 09:37 | | Spectrum
  

  Feeno - You're a fool. Do you honestly believe that someone actually paid club legend Ian Wright to DELIBERATELY "discredit the club" ? That is so ridiculous it's not worth commenting on. Think before you post a comment.
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• 20-Oct-2011 09:50 | | pika
  

  what mess are you talking about ?
  
  define mess , write us an essay , come on son

• 20-Oct-2011 10:23 | | pizzy05  - Thanks a bunch, Speccie
  

  I'm happy to finally have your assessment of Jenks(he's a friend, and I know he'll shed tear his eyes out for the cause). He's also probably unlucky to have been thrown out in the (very) deep end this season, cos he's not fully ready to start regularly for us(Bacary used to be an ever-present), but believe me, The Arsenal are better off with him in our present situation than with Eboue. Now I'm not saying that Jenks is better(far from it; Eboue is a full international, and I once heard him being labelled 'black Messi' in Africa), what I'm saying is that Jenkinson's grit and determination will give the team better returns this season than Eboue's constant negligence and theatrics.
  In addition, Eboue's reduced status in the team, compared to his position on the wage bill, meant that he was going to be offloaded soon or later(though even I did not expect him to leave so soon. for that I say 'Arsene knows best'). And that would not have been a problem if Sagna remained his ever fit self. I mean he reduced Eboue to only a few(I'm sure it's less than 15) starts last season, and one of them was his Liverpool stupidity. Plus, Eboue, despite his likable 'supporter of the team' character, will behave like a typical African and become a disruptive element if his team status reduces any longer(and that was inevitable)
  On Mr. Fabregas' motive for leaving, well he has left, so his motive isn't worth debating, moreso since we're debating his secondary motive. So I shall not discuss that any longer. however, any report I google up will be the same, once the source is attributed to the same Guardian(sorry friend, it's the way of the internet media). Just had to add that since you insisted that I check the interview up...
  Say, did you see Jenks covering for a centre defender yesterday? playing thru pain? do you think Eboue would have done those if he were on the pitch?

• 20-Oct-2011 10:31 | | pizzy05  - Thanks Spectrum
  

  I thank you for answering my poser to you on Jenkinson's performance. You're better than your pals from le grove, though I wish you can stop the 'In Arsene we rust' signature.
  Gives you an immature personality IMHO...

• 20-Oct-2011 10:49 | | Spectrum
  

  pika - It would be wasted on you, it really would. What would be the point of me spelling them out ? Would you be objective enough to consider any of them to be credible ?
  If you can't / won't see the problems this team, board and manager has, then you only choose what you want to believe, and ignore the rest. Anyone who sets the precondition for debate that the manager should not and MUST NOT be questioned, is a) not serious to start with, b) prejudiced in the extreme, c) is more interested in abuse than sensible discussion.
  
  It would be more productive debating with the proverbial brick wall.
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• 20-Oct-2011 11:04 | | Feeno
  

  No its not and yes I do, here wrighty have some money for slating the club you used to play for furthering the the pantomime that the problems with the club are worse than they are when even a "legend" is chiming in, here merson have some dough, here Alan Smith have some dough. Whats that Berkamp you have class and dignity and dont need a media profile, oh wait you respect the club do you, Theirry Henry you have the same class and arent looking for a media profile. You catch my drift here welt boy

• 20-Oct-2011 11:05 | | Spectrum
  

  No, I didn't see Jenks do that. As I said, I didn't see the match. It was on in the early hours of the morning here in Australia, and I had to get up and get ready for work at 4 a.m. It looks like he's going to be a real club man for us. A youngster who has that much determination should have a long career ahead of him.
  
  On Eboue, he had a few good games for us in his time here, but defensively I was never impressed with him.He can also play right midfield. And as he is good going forward, I think he might have done better there.
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• 20-Oct-2011 11:13 | | Spectrum
  

  pizzy05 - Sorry, but I won't drop my catchphrase. Many have urged me to, but it is a firm statement of my belief. And the evidence mounting each season proves it to be accurate.In fact, I'm quite proud that I originated it. It has been taken up by other realist supporters and the media too, have mentioned it in their articles and blogs e.t.c. Someone was even selling T-shirts with it on outside the ground !
  
  Are they all "immature" as well ?
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• 20-Oct-2011 11:38 | | pika
  

  objective? YOU ?!?
  
  ahhaha im throwing up laughter through my nose.
  
  ITS NOT ABOUT PROBLEMS MATE...ALL CLUBS HAVE PROBLEMS..THE POINT IS HOW YOU REACT..and you react like a muppet ..like an idiot whose had his opinion painted by anti-arsenal media and the general bashing that goes round arsenal lately...
  
  and anyone who thinks he can critisise professionals of wenger;s callibre form the comfort of their screen .....what are they then? LOL....
  
  WHO TOLD YOU THAT WE WANT TO DEBATE WITH YOU ? ..haha..
  
  a debate means by definition that one side will hold the pro viewpoint and the other the anti viewpoint
  
  
  WHY THE HELL WOULD AN ARSENAL FAN (like you..pmsl) ever hold an anti-arsenal viewpoint ? ...just to have debates? on the internet?
  
  my god youre thicker than i thought what a masterdebator you are ....

• 20-Oct-2011 11:45 | | pika
  

  u know what rectum ...
  
  why dont you go create your own site and hold that anti-arsenal viewpoint you hold.....see how many followers you get ..lmao.. the whole of ttonhm will follow you..
  
  all i see is an anti-arsenal cretin (thats you) trying to piss on a positive fan;s site (mean's)

• 20-Oct-2011 13:57 | | Spectrum
  

  The ex Arsenal players you mention are paid to give their view because they have been a part of the club, and are well placed to give an opinion. They are paid to express their views. Unlike you, who refuse to acknowledge that there is anything remotely wrong at the club, they, like a growing number of us, are prepared to speak out publicly and say that there is. They're paid to give that view. Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean they shouldn't have the democratic right to say it.
  
  Bergkamp, Henry e.t.c. MAY I suspect, also see faults with the way the club is being run, but perhaps are more reluctant to speak out. Or they are being diplomatic, and prefer to let others say it for them. Maybe they don't .Who knows ?
  
  Everyone's entitled to have their say on any issue. But to habitually condemn and abuse someone simply because they don't agree with YOU or share your opinion, and to refuse to see the other person's angle - is bigotry, plain and simple.
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• 20-Oct-2011 14:12 | | Spectrum
  

  I've told you a million times, I'M NOT ANTI - ARSENAL, I'M ANTI - WENGER. Any criticism of the team or individual players are incidental to that.
  
  Can your limited mind grasp this simple concept ? No. Because as you see Wenger as God himself, you think everyone else should automatically feel the same way as you. I've got news for you, son. In the real world out there, there are plenty who don't. But how would you know ? You would never have the courage or interest to find out.
  
  Just as well you don't run the world. What a tyrannical place it would be.Censorship and no freedom of expression allowed. Toe the line or you'll quietly "disappear".
  
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• 20-Oct-2011 15:34 | | pika
  

  well being anti-wenger = anti-arsenal
  
  there is no other way.
  
  and by the way wenger is a god. he is the manager who made it possible for arsenal to move stadiums without entering the stone age...
  
  do u seriously base your right to critisise wenger on the basis that this is a free world and that youre entitled to your opinion?
  
  pmsl....... ...you have the intelligence of a knitting nanny

• 20-Oct-2011 15:36 | | pika
  

  just f*ck off seriously ...do one
  
  u muppet with your debates and anti-arsenal stance
  
  just because youre adamant at always presenting a negative side dont make your criticism valid.

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