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Written by Wenger Boy on Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:39

The thousand or so people who follow me on Twitter - or, more accurately, the ten or so people who actually read my tweets – may have noticed a trend in my output. Superhero that I am, I appear (almost) whenever there is injustice to swoop down and defend those in need without any that much thought for my personal safety.

And who exactly I am defending? Well...er...it seems defenders, mostly.

There are two in particular whose corner I have most steadfastly remained in, always on hand to rub Vaseline on their wounds (careful), stitch them up and keep them rehydrated with water from that funny hamster bottle. When they’ve been reeling from the blows I’ve been there to tell them that they’re going to be ok and shout “Hit the one in the middle!” in a slow-motion voice, while they struggle through blurry eyes to determine if I really am Wenger Boy or just their mother come back to tell ‘em she’s proud.

In case you didn’t guess from the ridiculously clear and in no way unnecessarily long-winded boxing analogy above, the two I have been defending recently are (80’s detective combo) Koscielny and Jenkinson. 

What these two have in common is simple: they have both made high-profile mistakes in the past and were subsequently written off by large sections of the population as - to use common football parlance – shit.

Now, no-one can deny that both have made mistakes. All players do. Even great players. Cesc Fabregas stuck his hand in the air to a) ask a really important question (I’m guessing), but more importantly to b) give away a penalty against Sp*rs last year which basically handed them a goal for free. Now that was a real mistake.

But no-one considers Cesc Fabregas to be shit, do they? No, because he was already considered a great player before he did possibly the most stupid thing I have seen anyone do in an Arsenal shirt in recent times. In fact, Fabregas has already built up such a reputation for quality that it would in take an incredible and sustained loss of form, or string of errors, to convince people that he was anything but world class.

The problem usually comes when a player is yet to cement their reputation as a great player, or even a good one, or if the number of good performances has been so few as to be easily forgettable. Which is what has happened with Messrs Koscielny and Jenkinson.

People tend to remember bad things for longer than good things since negative events continue to provoke a strong emotional response long after they’re finished. Today, the happiness you feel remembering the Invincible season will likely seem less strong than the sadness you feel about losing the Champion’s League final. Indeed, you may even find that remembering the Invincible season makes you sad because of our subsequent close-but-not-close-enough, trophyless period. Regret is a very strong emotion indeed. 

Another factor lies in first impressions, which studies suggest people use as a benchmark by which they judge all future actions. If the initial opinion is positive then you are likely to be more understanding when it comes to the negatives. Likewise the converse is also true.

The more positive and sustained the initial impression is, the more negatives it will take to relinquish that viewpoint and vice versa. Arshavin is one beneficiary of this since his hugely impressive first half-season created such a positive impression that it took a relatively high number of mediocre or poor performances for us begin to lose faith. Had he begun with three years of mediocrity and then played exceptionally well for six months you can bet that people would still be waiting for him to slip back into poor form rather than believing he’d rediscovered his best. And since he occasionally tops up his reputation with moments of magic, most of us remain endeared to him.

Koscielny’s start at Arsenal was quite mixed. A red card in your first game is no way to create a good impression and a few early mistakes led to a general feeling of uncertainty around his talent. His performances improved however and his excellent partnership with Djourou was, for a period, one of the best we’ve seen in recent times. 

But this period was relatively short-lived, and immediately following what was arguably his finest performance in an Arsenal shirt (Barca) his mistake cost us a last-minute goal in a cup final – a high-profile error which provoked an incredibly strong negative emotional response.

The overwhelming effect of this negative response was, unfortunately, enough to overwrite the steadily improving performances in many a mind. The fact that he hadn’t wowed upon arrival – as Arshavin and Vermaelen did – also counted against him (no real positive benchmark), and although the Barca performance was in fact a massive plus it seemed nowhere near as important as the Birmingham mistake and, especially because of their close proximity, became eclipsed almost entirely.

Had he been a striker it might also have been different. Scoring a goal usually makes a stronger impression, mentally, than preventing one and so his pivotal display against Barca, whilst widely noted, was of course partly overshadowed by the excellent goals we scored that night. It was also rendered insignificant – in the long term - by our exit from the competition in the return leg, which contributed to a general collective forgetfulness.

Our collapse post-final will also have been subconsciously attributed to him in part, following as it did that memorable mistake. Consciously too - further mistakes may well have been made but it’s also all too easy to blame poor team performances, defensively, on that those ‘shit’ defenders who are known for making mistakes. 

But in spite of all this negativity there was underneath a young defender, not even two years out of Ligue 2, who, in his first season in the Premiership, showed signs of his ability to form a very solid partnership alongside another in-form CB and who, in his first season in the Champion’s League, stopped possibly the best player ever from impacting the game. Who now, despite his high-profile mistake, has picked himself up to the point where respected observers are wondering whether our vice captain will even be able to dislodge him. Where we see him winning man of the match awards in difficult European away ties and hear RvP and Wenger citing his ability to become one of the best around.

Think about how positive his performances have had to be to raise himself to this level of appreciation from such a low point. And yet we still to this day hear people – even and, in fact, especially Arsenal fans - calling him shit. It’s amazing. I think you would just probably be within your rights to consider him unfinished or even, perhaps, inconsistent (although increasingly less so) but to label him outright poor is an insult to someone who has worked so hard for Arsenal and saved us more than a handful of times in the process. 

Which brings me onto Carl Jenkinson – a player who was literally plucked from League 1 in the summer and within months asked to perform against Man U, at Old Trafford, at probably our lowest point this year and as part of a considerably weakened team. His naivety (unsurprisingly) was exposed and a red card and a humiliating score line later he was – despite his youth, inexperience and some encouraging pre-season performances - labelled a failure by the masses, and his short Arsenal career came grinding to a halt.

Only it didn’t. Despite such a potential mental scar of an event occurring so soon after a dream, but high-pressure, move to his boyhood club he, like Koscielny, picked himself straight up and just got on with it. Got on with it so well in fact that when our most consistent player got injured against Sp*rs it was young CJ who was asked to take over, keeping his place ahead of the more experienced Johann ‘also written off former saviour’ Djourou, putting in some of the best crosses Arsenal have seen for years, making a crucial block against Remy after he so easily dispatched Per ‘yet to be written off German international’ Mertesacker and generally working his fucking arse off for the team.

And yet despite the promise and no fuss approach that this still-developing, nineteen year old Arsenal player – and lifelong fan, I might add - has shown people are still complaining that he is ‘shit’, lacking in ‘technical ability’ and even, sadly, ‘not fit to wear the shirt’. Yes, his positioning may need work, and at his age he of course needs to develop, but there have been plenty of promising signs also - which if you’ve watched him play carefully I really should have no need to list. 

And regardless of the above, it is more than obvious that without the Man U game – a freak game really - the comments he receives would be nowhere near as cutting. To think that the effects of one game, so early on in a career, can rain down so much fire on a young talent is heartbreaking.

Just imagine yourself, as an Arsenal fan, in his position. 

Unfortunately Koscielny and Jenkinson are just two examples among many. Even recent MOTM Gervinho was heading dangerously towards being written off after his miss at Sp*rs – had we not scored afterwards or had it been last minute it probably would have had even more of a negative impact. Fabianski is of course ‘shit’, despite showing some excellent form prior to his incredibly unlucky injury, making match-winning saves against Wolves and City. And we all remember vividly how Song was written off.

Even four appearances, Arsenal Carling Cup debut goal scoring, Champion’s League debut goal scoring, eighteen year old newcomer Oxlade-Chamberlain was labelled shit by some last night after a mediocre performance against a decent Premiership team. And others still are written off for different reasons –a certain club captain and current best player because of his injury record, for example.

What history tells us is that one must be wary when writing players off - for any reason really, but especially due to a few errors. High-profile mistakes are not insignificant, the ability to maintain level in important matches in crucial, but to focus on a few incidents at the expense of general performance is to miss the bigger picture.

It’s a shame for our players that those who are so quick to jump to conclusions are just as slow to relinquish them, but it’s fantastic that those same players are not so quick to draw conclusions about themselves. Koscielny is fast becoming a necessary component of this resurgent Arsenal team – and is slowly being recognised as such - and I believe that if Carl Jenkinson continues to work as he has then he will have a very bright future ahead of him.

But I’m sure that as those two work to cement their reputation as valued members of the Arsenal squad there will be plenty more who work their way up only to face the same ridicule and contempt. I just hope, for our club’s sake as much as theirs, that they possess the same level of determination and persistence that Laurent Koscielny and Carl Jenkinson have shown so far.

WB

@WengerBoy1

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Comments (55)

  • Alex  - Spot On
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    Couldn't agree more mate, i love arsenal and until last year, went reguarly. The temptation is to expect instant greatness and with Verm, Szch, Wilshere we got it, but henry and pires took at least a season to get it sorted. Keep the faith, nobody expects much now and a real team is forming. Yes they arn't pretty at times but who cares really if we are getting results???

    Chelsea will be a big test but even if we lose this is still a team that can do good things. Maybe not the great lengths of the invinicables, this season i'll take top four.

    Alex
  • rob s  - A top club needs continuity
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    yes yes yes I agree with these comments.

    However, must one always remember that very young players tend to be prone to ahigher requency of erors in big games.

    That is why the best clubs with consistent year over year performances tend to have a good blend of youth and experence.

    My only critique of Wenger (and I am a supporter) is that at times the team is too young.

    Does anyone one know the average age of the squad as compared to other teams? Average age of the most likely starting lineup as compared to other teams?

    How much time on average spend playing with a consisent set of teammates?

    I intuitively believe, that while the club has been tremendously consistent and at or near the top of the able throughout Wenger's reign as manager, we recently hae nt found a way toconsistently win the big games at the right time. Is that a hallmark of youh? who knows.
  • Eric  - Well...
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    Said...there are so many naysayers, merchants of dooms and impatient fans who dont appreciate that if the potential is there, the attitude is there a player will in most cases come true to their quality. There will always be cases when a player makes mistakes but it is more about how consistent they can be...
  • iceman
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    EXCELLENT blog mate..... if only people could see what you see, however i doubt it they could because they are so blind to the obvious !!
  • Jim C
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    Well said.

    The players will have first impressions of the fans aswel and the moans around the stadium/social media after mistakes can only distance the player from the club at the time the foundations of a genuine affinity should be buillding.

    We ask these players to play for the shirt that we love and expect them to also but this negative attitude towards our own players can only be detremental to achieving our goal of seeing a winning Arsenal team.
  • Si D  - Agree
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    Totally agree - quality article, & i'll be forwarding to my dad & mates who are always griping.
  • Kev Kelman  - The Best ???
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    Let me start by saying this is possibly the best article I have read using Newsnow to get my Arsenal news.
    I only wish every arsenal fan could read it.
    You are of course right in all you say.
    Kos has been getting better and better, and hopefully that development will continue, and as for young Carl, well we are supposed to be interested in Marseille winger Aynew ?? or something ?? whom Jenkinson gave a footballing lesson too only a couple weeks ago. We have all been crying out for the sort of passion and commitment from our players that each and every one of us who love the Arsenal would give if we were lucky enough to be as talented as those lucky few that wear the red shirt. Jenkinson, a life long Arsenal fan, will give us that, and will in my opinion, become a great player and fan favorite.

    Good work WB
  • Max Wallace
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    Interesting stuff.

    It's particulalry difficult for unproven defenders, as the best they can do is *not* make any howlers. Vermaelen's start was possibly commented on in such glowing terms (not that he doesn't deserve glowing terms) because of his early goals. Point in case, David Luiz was lauded everywhere because of his touch and goals, which masked for months some dodgy defensive displays. Yet this week on MOTD, Hansen (i think) advocated converting him to an attacking midfielder!
  • Wenger Boy
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    Thank you for all of your kind responses. Proud to see so many rational and genuinly supportive Arsenal fans. And if our team needs one thing it's genuine support.
  • pika
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    i can not accept your critique as regards to this here :

    "That is why the best clubs with consistent year over year performances tend to have a good blend of youth and experence.

    My only critique of Wenger (and I am a supporter) is that at times the team is too young."

    It goes without saying that a team which is juggling stadium moves and is forced to go with youth will not be able to keep its vieiras and henrys and gilbertos so as to do it ala ferguson. Ferguson was given the money to keep them old heads there. Wenger was not. There for the critique for wenger fielding a far too young side is not correct.

    It was a given and a known fact that with the stadium move and the reliance on youth the club was sacrificing titles ( or else continuation) in order to create generations of players who will have grown inside the club. In such projects (which pay emphasis in the future and not the now) there is always the possibility that the first crop will get burnt from the expectations, which is what happened.

    Arsenal never was and never had the money to do what ferguson does. Keep the ferdinands at 180k per week and at the same time sign international wonderkids for 15 million a piece in average. The arsenal fans should be more respectful to the fact that the only person who could make this transition from highbury to emirates possible and at a profit and without getting relegated or dropping to midtable mediocrity is one Arsene Wenger.
  • ziggy2633
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    the funniest thing is those so called fans call Wenger 'myopic' ironic or what?
  • Phil C  - Shit for brains
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    It's not difficult to understand the jaundiced views of a section of our fans who, by and large, are underachievers and regard the rest of the world with suspicion and envy and will ridicule anyone in an attempt to big themselves up. Few if any will have experienced competitive sport at a high level and therefore will have no understanding of just how difficult it is to perform consistently at that level. Many will be used to engaging their mouths before their brains, mainly because its so much easier to find the former. The concept of loyalty in modern society has almost disappeared, whether that be to friends, spouses, employers or football teams, replaced by a me, me attitude where simple self gratification is the most important thing in any relationship. In short there are a large number of know nothing c#?@! out there and Arsenal F C have somehow managed to attract at least its fair share, more's the pity. Hopefully the recent deterioration in the quality and style of our play and the paucity of new additions to the trophy cabinet will help to reduce their number and there will be a more objective appreciation of our team's talents.
    In truth there have been very few poor players on our books over the last 10 years. Some have been more successful than others in demonstrating their abilities and some have been guilty of the same lack of loyalty as some of our fans, but none that I can think of have warranted the reprehensible vilification routinely handed out by sections of our so called supporters. It was different when I first became a Gooner in the 60's. Less skill but more endeavour on the pitch, more passion and loyalty to both club and players on the terraces. What price progress?
  • Anonymous
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    Amen.

    Kos is a great tackler and is playing great at the moment.
    Jenkinson is good too. Never gives up, lots of energy.
  • fanwell  - fan
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    I enjoyed this article and your comments are spot on. I think we are building a very strong team
  • Greg  - These two lads
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    are set to become cult heroes, I reckon.

    You can call me smug, because I am, but I've been saying ever since that red card at Liverpool that Koscielny was going to be a legend.

    He's the perfect modern CB - mobile, athletic, ball-playing, strong in the air, great ground defence - he comes out fast and makes clean, successful ground and aerial challenges as the first defender, and also sweeps well as the second.

    People say he's error-prone, but his last season in Ligue 1, he won 100% of his tackles. That's incredible consistency. The premiership was a step up in intensity but he's got the hang of it now and I predict we'll see similar consistency from him in the future.

    Funny how he got that first red at Liverpool, who have a couple of CBs in Skrtel and Agger who were also impressive at the start, but who just haven't kicked on and improved. Kos on the other hand is getting better with each game.

    My prediction: in a couple of years, he will be absolute world class.

    And now that I've thouroughly jinxed him, he'll break his leg in the next game.

    As for Jenko - younger, steeper learning curve, work in progress. But can't fault the lad for workrate, desire and ability. I didn't have the same "click" with him that I did when I saw Kos, but I'm hugely impressed all the same. That he's been thrown in the deep end and is swimming rather than sinking gives him enormous credit.
  • richie  - Right on Phil C (and other 60's sayings)
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    Like you I became a Gooner in the sixty's I was probably one before that but not through making my own choice about it. And it must be our vintage because I share your sentiments almost to a "T". I love the old idea's of building a team, not buying one off the shelf. I'm not jealous of Chelsea or Man City because I don't want to win silverwear by buying it. I've seen great players and great teams through the years, but spending obscene amounts to build an instant winning team has never done it for me.

    The Italy's current president did just that many years ago with Milan and won the CL, but I didn't find them anywhere near as impressive, when they went around buying up the stars from all over Europe as I was with the Ajax team of the same period. One team was bought the other built. I felt exactly the same when "old big ed" Cloughie took a team of unknowns and twice won the CL. That I found impressive!

    I prefer our way of building to buying and I'd like us to continue along
    that path. The instant gratification boys won't stick with us while we do it , but so be it. If our "fans" aren't the type to stick with us in a lean period when we ain't winning then that type of fickle support we can easily do without. Loyalty to the club has nothing to do with winning! Winning is a bonus.
  • Wisy  - Good write up
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    Man keep it up. I love your voice.
  • richie  - Wenger boy does it again
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    Classy article that does more to highlight the current failings of a certain section of "our own?" fans than it does to highlight the percieved failing of our players. Especially some of our youngsters who lack premier league expirence. All players make mistakes, its how they learn from those mistakes that counts. Djourou is currently useless according to some yet last year he was our top defender. Last year all Gooners wanted the Djourou and Kosh partnership played every game and were scared if either was absent. Now after being out for a while and a shaky return Djourou is vilified. Its one thing to ask for higher standards completely another to fail to give support to our players if they make a mistake or two.
  • John
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    I have to disagree with you there, in my opinion, Arteta and Mertesacker have brought a much need level of experience and calm to the team and haven't cost any more than any of our youth prospects and i don't believe either are on loony wages.

    Youth prospects were bought at the expense of experience not because it couldn't be afforded. However the resale value was the decisive factor as well as Wengers ego.
  • MeanLean
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    Top stuff WB as Per Mertersacker.

    Patience is not something that many football fans have anymore, we are far to quick to make concrete judgements about players.

    Information like development, fitness, partnerships, confidence etc is swept underneath the carpet and replaced by snarls and sneering.

    Like I said in a previous article I really believe that the media perception of a player often shapes the opinion of many fans. Koscielny being the perfect example of that. Seen as an unknown Frenchman who is out of his depth but his performances say quite the opposite.

    Anyhoo, great work as usual.
  • MeanLean
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    John,

    Please can you point me in the direction of some proof that Wenger has an ego problem when it comes to building his teams?

    One blogger says this and then it spreads like it is truth. Wenger's actions in the transfer window have shown quite the opposite of an ego.

    Jose Mourinho for example would never stay at a club who restrict his spending because his ego wouldn't allow it. Since leaving Porto he has managed at clubs who have had endless resources. If Wenger had an ego then he would have left Arsenal for Real Madrid.

    You don't have to like Wenger, you don't have to agree with his way of doing things but throwing stuff in about an apparent ego is just pure fabrication. Pure and simple.
  • John
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    My proof is that for the last 6 years he has only purchased youth and prospects at the expense of experience as a matter of policy not necessity. Proof being that this summer he's bought said experience at compartive prices as the youth he's regulary purchased.

    He has regulary stated that his plan whilst moving stadium was to build a young team and grow them together. This was in part due to financial restrictions, this as stated hasn't proved to be correct given this summers recruitment. To continually maintain this stance despite the need to change, using excuses like "i don't want to kill Denlison/Diaby" shows a clear policy decision has been made that isn't based on either sporting or economic parameters but personal preference, and to maintain such a stance for 6 years can only be described as ego.
  • chris  - Well, sort of
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    I liked the article but I also disagree with some of the statements in it.

    However bad a player is, some fans will be just mysteriously smitten with them.

    Whatever their faults those fans will see the good things about them and will just love them. In fact, if they have faults, those fans will say, when he irons out those obvious faults, everyone will see what I see and when those players show even the slightest promise they will say
    "Here we go, he's going to make it like no-one else belioeved but me"

    That's all great and especially under Arsene Wenger, a manager who probably gives his players more chance of making it than almost any other manager in the Prem, there's lots of examples of guys who he stuck with and are coming good.

    I like Koscielny for all his stand out good qualities, his intercepting, his bravery (getting up when he was concussed), his anticipation and actually, especially I like his passing off the deck, which is very often extremely crisp and he doesn't generally hide too much even when things are going wrong.

    BUT you've still got to say the jury's massively out on him as to whether the glaring errors he makes are to do with having the wrong partner, one-off rushes of blood to the head, or if they are part of him, like Gael Clichy (another guy I loved and who is predictably doing really well at City) or don't say it Titus Bramble.

    I do agree that some players get more credit and I personally think it's about physical appearance as much as anything - nothing matters ultimately more than how you play but Koscielny has that almost permanent "What's going on?" look that puts a lot of people off (especially when he doesn't know where the ball is in our box).

    Vermaelen is also prone to getting sucked towards the ball around the halfway line (you may say that's a DM issue) and has contributed to a good few opposition goals in that way but he's been positive and when the ball goes in he chasing back as fast as he can go so he doesn't always get the blame.

    Hopefully Mertesacker can be the glue for the whole defence - him and Vermaelen and Koscielny and Djourou on last season's form (and maybe one of Miquel or Bartley next year) are starting to look ok as individuals, at least there's no Sylvestre or Squillacci (hold on though) but it's not their individual play, it's the whole defence.

    Sorry I've caught talking too much disease, must have a deadline brewing at work.
  • MeanLean
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    So buying Anelka, Vieira, Cesc, van Persie and so many more young players was his ego right?

    How about instead of ego it is just his way of building teams, a way of buying better players for his money.

    The fact that he hasn't been able to over achieve enough to topple bigger spenders above us doesn't mean he has an ego.

    Plus you conviently ignore signings like Squillaci, Arshavin, Silvestre, Rosicky, Gallas etc etc regardless of what you think of them. They were all experienced players. He hasn't had the money to buy the experienced top top level players because our structure doesn't allow it at Arsenal
  • Vuja De
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    @ Richie, I can remember when that Forest team got promotion from the old 2nd division, and won the then League title in their first season back in the top flight, schooling Man Utd along the way with a 0 - 4 away victory at Old Trafford. That was impressive.

    But I generally agree with the sentiments of Wenger Boy, Phil C, and your goodself in relation to the article.
  • John
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    Firstly, Anelka, Vieira, Cesc and Van Persie were all bought before the stadium move, so they don't represent a good example.

    Second, at no point have i ever said buying young players was a mistake, what i have said was buying experienced players isn't more expensive.

    Now lets evaluate the circumstances each of the more experienced signing you mention:

    Squillaci - purchased as a clear 3rd/4th choice because he was available - after thought
    Arshavin - purchased in the january transfer window under huge fan pressure and well as the real threat of not qualifing for the champions league that season - bought under duress
    Silvestre - Free transfer for squad depth - again an after thought
    Rosicky - Cheap because he was injury prone plus he wasn't that experienced, 24
    Gallas - Wasn't a purchase but a make weight in the Ashley Cole transfer, mainly because he was a head case

    In my opinion none of these transfers were ever given the same level of thought as the youngsters, my real disappointment is that it's my opinion that had the likes of Mertasacker and Arteta been bought as genuine first team players over the last few seasons we'd probably be multiply trophy winners and still have the likes of Cesc and Nasri.
  • MeanLean
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    John,

    I agree with the point that quality experienced first teamers would have helped our younger players of the past but my point is that, Wenger did not choose not to buy these players due to any so called ego
  • richie
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    Yeah Vuj'd Forest won promotion 76 -77 then won the 1st division title 77-78 then the European Cup 78-79 (They finished 2nd in the league that year too) and retained the CL in 79-80. They had a few great players in their team that went on to be celibrated but in general it was a team built from nothing with nobodies. Viv Anderson came to us from them and they also had Martin O'neil who became almost as famous managing. That was a memorable time for us Gooners too when capturing the FA cup as it was our first silverwear in 8 years since our 71 first double. Beating the Manc is aways a pleasure but with the FA at stake it was great.
  • Wenger Boy
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    While I understand where you're coming from I don't think what you're saying is in disagreement with my article.

    Saying that some unproven players are overrated or overhyped, or that some of the players I've mentioned are unproven doesn't detract from the point that it's unfair to write them off after a few mistakes.
  • tshirtgames
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    Good article, but tending to become carried away with its own theory, hence Chris' points are very valid.
    Personally I do like the look of Kos at the moment, and its true that fans tend to be overly impatient with new players. I remember hearing that Steve Bould used to cower in the toilet at the start of a game and be afraid of coming out because he was so vilified by the fans at the start of his career with us. Nevertheless, the bottom line is that despite stadium-related financial restrictions, Arsenal are a massive club and could and should have sorted several problems in their team long before now, the defence being one. We have suffered badly from this approach of waiting to see if an unpolished diamond will polish up or not in two or three seasons, and this has not only cost us titles but cost us our best players, who don't bother to stick around to find out. Wenger hasn't had mega-city-bucks to spend, but he has had enough to sort out our perennial problems at the back. Yet its only after years and years that he's actually bought in an established (and over 6ft!) centre-back like Mertesacker, and even this was because he didn't want to shell out on his (allegedly) first choice, Cahill, so even now we (probably) have a defensive 'saviour' bought on the basis of value rather than footballing attributes.
    Problem with the article, then, is that is backs up pretty much all of Wenger's unheralded defensive acquisitions by looking for positives in each of them, when the fact is that Wenger could easily have saved us from many seasons of disappointment, and increasingly humilation (8-2), by stumping up a few million more for the finished articles. It seems he has a Billy Beane(?) style strategy based on the economics of recouping value from player purchases, and while like Beane he impresses in his parsimony and economic astuteness, as well as his eye for an underrated talent, like Beane, he doesn't actually win anything!
  • KL Gooner
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    I forgave Alan Sunderland for all his misses due to his winner in the 79 final. Similarly for an average Micky Thomas at Anfield 89.

    Some are not so lucky, not having any golden moments. I remember the moans and groans whenever Ray Parlour was in the line-up or when he came on as a sub. Even after he scored in the FA cup final against Chelsea. I'm glad that most fans now recognise and acknowledge his contributions as a gunner.
  • cornishgooner
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    anyone remember the eon it took for bergkamp to score people were slating him bk then no change from the fickle support
  • Tai Obasi, Lagos  - We wont lose
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    We wont lose to Chelsea. That I'm certain. With Verm in the squad, we'll only miss Wilshere. If Kos plays at RB, then we wouldn't miss Sagna. Any time Arsenal plays with a complete team, we never lose to Chelsea.
  • AFC53
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    Couldnt agree more about Kos he has real potential and at times looks a real quality defender.

    He is no way Cygan,Stepanovs,Vivas,Squillaci & Senderos to some extent these all good a good run in the side and time to settle he is better than all of these by far.

    As for Jenkinson he is a youngster that due to a terrible run of injuries found himself in the thick of it in his first season.

    We as a club have to get behind these youngsters with the likes of TV coming back & PM this gives us s depth at CB something we have not had since the Adams,Bould,Keown era.
  • AFC53
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    There have been many players who have had time to settle and have been given chance after chance.

    Vivas,Senderos,Stepanovs,Senderos,Eboue,Bendtner,
    Denilson,Almunia,Fabianski,

    My only concern for our side is the LB position Gibbs for me is an up and coming LB who has a lot to give but not first team yet.

    Santos looks good in a tackle but very unfit I would like to see a experienced PL LB to come in like Baines with Sagna and TV/PM/LK would make a decent defence
  • Veecee
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    Pros & Cons have their points. What about Reyes/Hleb/Flamini/Ashley Cole/ Adebayor. Wenger has always raise or buy wisely but keeping them was our problem because of the bigger or greener pasture. Nasri left for more money too.
  • itchyballs  - kozzer
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    i'll think you'll find the derisory comments re kozzer mostly were to be found from a few classless c***ts over on le grove-i mean one of the muppets even signed himself in as "koscielny is shit"-f***ng arsehole supporter-anyone& i mean anyone who has apair of eyeballs in their head could/can see he is quality-they(the dickheads)made no allowance for the fact that he was young,from french ligue 2,just settling in & has had hardly any help from an injury prone defense with little consistency-yet they give him no time & expect miracles?i for one am so glad they're choking on their negativity now-KOZZER IS GREAT!
  • pika
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    well you cant blame him for not winning titles when his emphasis is on grooming youngsters for the future. wenger and arsenal did not have titles as priority when they moved to emirates. the fact he made a team cpabale enough at an average of 22-23 years fo age to deceive that tehy can win or steal titles and trophies is to his immense credit as a manager. usually when you enter such adevtures in en environment like the epl and competitiors who can blow you out the water financially you get to mid table level....wenger hasnt though. he forced the others to spend and spend to marginally beat his kindergarden. cant give him stick for that im afraid. only praise.
  • pika
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    gentlemen...konscielny was a proposal from france in which wenger never thought twice. the people who advised wenger to get him are not idiots, neither is wenger an idiot for trusting them. Konscielny came from ligue 2 with an 8m price tag. he aint no mug.he is fast, reads the game, always gets first to ball , has combative nature and is also a ball playing defender. ticks all the boxes for the kind of defender wenger wants. even hsi lack of height he makes it up with good timing on headers.

    the thing is that unfortunately wenger and his arsenal have to compete in an environment where foreigners get slated. also arsenal is not the team where the media will allow any lenience. wenger is an enemy and his team is to be subjected to unfair criticism. why? because he is an idealist who offers a perpsective on football in which you have to work and be sensible. the people who give him stick for not winning titles while in a period of massive transition where he has had to develop younsgters for arsenal;s FUTURE are all clueless and dangerous and shouldnt be anywhere near this clib.
  • John
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    Lets agree to disagree. As far as i'm concerned Wengers ego has had a part to play. He has consistantly called the youth policy part of the clubs philosophy. An ideaology based a set of values not practical reality.

    I believe his steadfast pigheaded maintaining of his philosophy has not just cost us trophies but also the very young players he's brought in to impliment it. The constant moral and confidence sapping results against the likes of Wigan away, Spurs at home and Newcastle away, to name but 3, hasn't helped the likes of the once promising Denilson or Diaby progress, in fact the opposite, it's damaged their careers. A few experienced players would have been equiped with the tools to stop these embarrasing results from taking place and not to mention the points might have come in handy as well.

    It has also been completely unfair to place such pressure and expectation on young players like Fabregas and Walcott.

    At no point have i ever said buying these young players was a mistake, in fact the opposite, it's benefited the club greatly. However what i am saying is that Wenger's, and some fans, belief that it's a choice between the black and white opitions of buying cheap youngsters or £50m established players is ridiculous.

    It didn't have to come to the point where we've lost our 2 best and most promising young players in Fabregas and Nasri to buy the experience thats been so desperately missing over the last few years when this summer has shown it doesn't cost £40m per player to do so. What makes it even more galling is there has supposedly been £50m to invest in the team for several years now.
  • itchyballs
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    spot on pika!-how often,if ever do you here anyone from the media banging on about the mickey mousers wait for a title?21 years and counting hey..........
  • pika
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    yep itchy, in fact so many other clubs have spent way more than wenger/arsnal has in the last 5 years yet none fo them achieve top four finnish and constant qualification in europes last 16 or 8 or 4 and none fo them get slated.

    united and chelsea spent fortunes just to beat wenger;s eboues and walcotts and rosickys. instead of praising wenger for going so close in such restrictions they prefer to castigate him for not winning it. very weird and strange mentlaity by the media there.

    i guess the bashers forget that for united and chelsea to beat wenger;s kids they had to spend 150 m on average per summer. chelsea operates at a 200m loss per year and united had to place their assets as collateral to the banks to finance the takeover thus releasing funds for fergie;s spending spree. wenger has been operating on 15m budgets max the last 5 to 6 years and gets a lot closer than they would had they been in his shoes.
  • westlondongoon  - Different strokes for different folks
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    The problem that I sometimes have with our purchases is that there clearly need time to bed in to English football.

    If you watch Kos, he is clearly much more suited to the European game than the Prem, where he is still learning his trade. The fact that our manager doesn't rotate our CBs according to the opposition (and our awful injury record), is a little worrying. Like his obsession with 4-3-3 when we have the players to play a very effective 4-4-2 formation, this can only be seen as mis-management.

    Jenkinson, however, is a completely different issue. I just don't see the reasoning behind it. There are probably 20 better right backs under 25 in the lower leagues, yet we buy one who was loaned out to play non-league football less than a year ago. Now we are having to push him into Champions League football....it just makes so little sense.

    Its ok having development players coming through, but to have them as direct replacements for experienced internationals is just unbelievable. I'd be much happier with us buying players who had positional, tactical and defensive shape. We should be looking to the lower leagues more often rather than scouting in France, Africa, etc. Or are we really to believe that the French 2nd division is so far ahead of the Chamionship in this country?
  • Harry Barracuda  - Excellent partnership?
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    Kos? "his excellent partnership with Djourou was, for a period, one of the best we’ve seen in recent times. "

    He's a disaster with the comedian that is Djourou and looks much more secure with Vermaelen.
  • pika
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    i dont understand this insistence with 442. to play 442 your two central midfielders must be two MONSTERS. and your two wide men in midfield must also be world beaters. 442 applies for monsters like vieira -gilberto for instance. if we had yaya toure and de rossi i would understand the 442. we have song and arteta.

    which of the arsenal wide midfeilders can play the left or right like pires would? or with the work rate of a freddie ljunberg? nobody...not even arshavin.

    if we engage two strikers then we lose en extra man in defending

    442 when stretched will become 4-2-4..and we aint brasil...yet...:) plus wengers fullbacks are always pressing forward ..thus 2-2-6....

    we need to win titles first so that players get the confidence of a world beater before applying a 442..in 442 each player must be a world class player in his position.
  • ne  - boo fans
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    :lol: ....nice for waking up...if young messi were here when he was unknown, and playing badly one game for arsenal, he would be label as big time shit and would drop his confidence....we have a lot of boo boy fans :lol: ..low quality fans
  • Osa
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    Koscielny has always been on my lips right from day 1 in arsenal, its no secret why they call me koscielny in my hood!!! It really annoys me, how people keep underrating koscielny, I wrote an article about koscielny last year titled "call me koscielny" I don't know how people are so blind that they can see his intelligence, koscielny is too intelligent, as in extremely intelligent, very very intelligent, so sad and unfortunate people can't see this, the stigma that affected koscielny then was schillachi.. I cool down to watch how koscielny doesn't panic admidst 2-3opposition players in front of him, he still go ahead to make smooth passes not bouncy kind of pass, so smooth on the pitch(that's quality, huge quality) this is an assignment for us all, when ever koscielny is with the ball at the back, look out for this: confidence, extremely smooth pass, rarely gives possession to opponents, very calculatively awesome, extremely difficult(infact impossible) to beat in one on one "even messi couldn't get pass him one one one").. A world class defender that is underrated, even the top football analyst are still blind to seeing this. Koscielny, is the most utility(CB' 5 n 6 LB DM RB
  • Dennis  - Awesome blog!
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    I just found this blog, found it amazing, very insightful.

    I completely agree with this writing off/overhyping efffect the media and fans do. As a very good example, I found this article quoting O'leary as saying "The main two are Vermaelen and Mertesacker. The others are lads that can fill in, really. Koscielny does ok but I don't feel that he's going to get into the best teams that Arsenal are playing against at the moment." And yet, who made the mistake against Barca 2 years ago, who scored the own goal against Chelsea? Who let Chelsea score 2 goals in the most recent encounter? Who managed to (largely) contain Barca's attacking triumvirate in the more recent match against Barca? I'm not nessisarily disagreeing O'Leary saying Verm and Mertesacker are good, but 'Koscielny does ok but I don't feel that he's going to get into the best teams' is just completely wrong, and has no basis for an argument.
  • MeanLean
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    Dennis,

    O'Leary's views are just lazy. Koscielny is not the typical English style center back that so many think we need. Anyone who has watched him closely will know how good he is and how much he has improved. It's more a case of new signing + lots of money = better than Koscielny
  • Feeno
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    More and more we are seeing managers, like O'Leary and like O'Neil, who Wenger has bested over the years chiming in with their jibes, couldnt do it on the pitch so are now happy to take a pay packet from the media to help regurgetate the agenda drive spin and try and claim wee victories for themselves, pathetic really
  • pika
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    well per and arteta came after we sold cesc and nasri...before that you could not afford ten x 2 for both of em.. ..teh club would rather sepnd ten on potential than experience back then

    the only youht prospects which have been expensive prior to chamberlain ( who again came after we got money from cesc /nasri sales) are walcott and ramsey...the rest were bought with peanuts..( clichys eboues cescs rvp deni bendtn etc etc)

    i dont think you disagree its just that you didnt like it that in the past 6-7 years arsenal was only gonna risk spenidng money on potential and not experience
  • pika
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    john you say this : "A few experienced players would have been equiped with the tools to stop these embarrasing results from taking place"

    lol..thats completely hypothetical

    also the pressure on walcott and cesc youre complaining about has come from the media who in turn managed to manipulate the fans of arsenal and it was the fans of arsenal who were adding to that pressure. if the arsenal fans had disregarded the press the rivals and the negativity thrown towards then cesc theo and the rest wouldne be playign as if with their back son the ball.

    its the press that made arsenal fans have demands which were unrealistic for a team which was as youthfull as ours and always a work -in -progress.

    also as a football club you are first and before evvrything else a company, as sad or as cold as it may sound. and companies need to be viable. the trading commodities in this industry are footballers. so in the respect of arsenal, a club which was never rich and has to be self finaqnced it makes PERFECT sense to buy low and sell high. and besides that the club has the number one person for this kind of job. when you throw in 17 yearolds against chelsea who can field a 28 y.o drogba at 150 k per week you cant expect them to win the fkn title. you go as close as you can and you wait for their demise. in the meantime you will have repaid your stadium, made money out of selling players and also created a nucleus from within the club who will have the loyalty and education and desire and the right age and expereince to hit a spell of dominance like barca/ajax/manchester have done, hopefully. nothing is guranteed ..youhave to work for it. others can pay for it. its called a short cut. arsenal; cant take short cuts im afraid. and a s a matter of principle i dont think they want to do that just to please a few mugs with kodak momments for trophies...

    arsene knows a hell of a lot about running football clubs ffs...yet some arsenal fans and some idiots in the english press think they can run football clubs a lot better than him... its ridiculous..sort it out..
  • Eric
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    Actually you will find that Arsenal tried to buy Mertesacker a while ago...Also tried to get Pepe Reina some time ago...my point is that
    Mgrs are not blind to some of the deficiencies in their teams but have to try and balance the :
    -the reserve or younger players in the squad with
    -the fact that some players experience bad form at some point (due to many factors e.g. personal, injuries,etc..)
    -transfer negotiations may not go as planned (you may want to buy someone that doesnt always mean you will get that person and throwing money at it is not always the solution)

    It is a tricky balance that is not always destined to go well but it largely does in our case...As for the defensive frailties experienced and some seem to think has become a de facto criticism of Arsenal, I personally think confidence/communication and attitude are important and I am not sure if these have always been present (AT THE SAME time) within the team until recently..You can drill someone for as long as you want but if those ingredients are not there, it is very difficult...It is apparent that as a collective this is getting better (we are improving) and the recovery of Vermaelen, the confidence of Kos (who has always been a good defender with some lapses of focus but seems to be believe in himself and judgement alot more...) and Mertesacker organisation skills...the team can only improve...
    We are still a work in progress and but a v good one...
  • Eric
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    Agreed, 4-4-2 exposes Song and Arteta/Ramsey a bit too much...for a 4-4-2 you would have to drop someone or have Song and Coquelin (good positional sense and good passes forward) play together and stay defensive which restricts the creativity a bit I think..RVP would have to drop behind a striker (e.g. C Y Park) when he is on form at the moment...I can only see such a formation against teams with slower wingers and most of the EPL teams go for fast wingers...
  • Eric  - errm ok/.//
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    Can you remind me what was the pairing (centre back) during the game we played against Barcelona at home last season? ...
    Djourou suffers from positional problems...Kos not so much and has improved much...mainly due to his trust in his own judgement when it comes to positions...
    I do agree that Vermaelen/Kos is an effective partnership against quick forwards but I still like a Metersacker - Kos/Verm partnership
    as Mertesacker seems to bring a organisational skill (depsite his mobilty issues)

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