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Written by Scotty Davis Gooner on Sunday, 11 November 2012 10:34

 

First and foremost I’d like to point out I’m not one to publicise my tweets, or prevail I know what’s right and what’s wrong. I see myself as a fan and a fan only who voices his own opinions based on what he witnesses. What I think is by no means what I think or feel the mass think and feel. But in the heat of the moment yesterday, before our game had finished actually, in fact, it was even before we’d equalised, something had finally taken its toll on me.

I snapped. I couldn’t help it. Usually, well the majority of the time, I’m so level headed with the on-goings at our club. I strive to be realistic, but in the most positive way I can be. For me, it’s the right way to be. But equally it’s important to sit down, evaluate what’s not working, and then address accordingly.  If you fail to point out your weaknesses and continue to neglect them, then it’s simply not possible to make any real improvement… and it’s at that point exactly I now believe our club has fallen into, if it hadn’t done so already that is.

Yesterday I unleashed a 48 tweet rant, which even for my standards is some going. I’m often guilty of clogging up timelines with 5 -10 evaluation tweets shall we say, good or bad issues…

“5 -10? …yeah, alright!” I hear one or two of you say.

But after doing so I shut twitter off for a few hours and came back to it later in the evening to find a few replies. Some agreed, some didn’t, which I’m perfectly fine with, but I also had several replies from people asking me to write it up properly as a blog so it would make easier reading material. So, thanks to a few bloggers, they’ve allowed me to do so.

I’m writing this now 5 or 6 hours after the full time whistle blew, and having read what I said in the heat of the moment back, I’m now sceptical over one or two parts, but to be honest, I still believe 95% of it. Which saddens me more than anything. The past few years have finally taken their toll on me. It’s as if I’ve bottled the 2010/11 end of season collapse, last summer, last xmas, player sales, this summer gone, and now I feel emotionally drained and tired with it all to be honest and I’ve now reached that point where I think change is needed. A dramatic change at that. What exactly, I’m still none the wiser because I honestly don’t believe it’s a certain individuals fault why we’re just not progressing.

The following is the exact word for word 48 tweet rant from yesterday, put into one thing as such.

Awful. Absolutely awful. Winning goal irrelevant at the end there. Can't protect a lead. Pointless. Utterly pointless. We're at that stage we were at the back end of the 11/12 season after the Carling Cup final (I meant 10/11 season) where you couldn't cheer a goal. It was impossible too because you knew we'd concede. Its back to that now .It just seems worthless using your energy to do so because you now expect to concede every game.

That's Fulham at home. 3 goals shipped in to Fulham, at home. From a 2-0 lead as well. Honestly, it's shocking. Unbelievably we look a centre-back short again. As in, we look like we could do with another because the others no longer look up to it. I'm sick & fu*king tired of the same old sh*t, sh*t mistakes being churned out, year after year after year. We're a GK short. We're a CB short. We need a left back. We need a tough tackling midfielder and we're a striker short as well and we've been all of those short for fu*king years now there’s something wrong within the club; it's not just the players. Because it’s completely different personnel than it was 4 years ago, but they continue to make the same glaringly obvious mistakes, it's getting boring now; victory is now a surprise, irrespective of whom the opposition is.

We needed the likes of Podolski, Giroud & Cazorla on top of the players we had last season. On top of them. Additions. But with the subsequent sales of Van Persie, Song & Theo in January, they will have all turned into replacements. All we've done, summer after summer is look to replace when we've needed additions on top of what we've already had. Sell 1, buy 1. Buy 1, sell 1. We need to start buying 2 before we're selling 1.

It's all wrong; the mentality is all wrong & I’ve finally had enough. I try to be as positive & as supportive as I can be, but I can't find it in me to cheer a goal, because I think we'll concede every game.

I can't believe in 2012/13 we've relied on the likes of Abou Diaby & Rosicky to be fit. Honestly, if someone would have told you in 2009 that in 2012, you will miss Diaby & Rosicky, I'd have said you're mental. They won't be at the club then. We've pinned our hopes on those two staying fit for a season when they've never managed that before!? It makes no sense what so ever... and I'm sorry, but there is something fundamentally wrong, within the club, and finally, after years of witnessing the same thing & trying to find excuse after excuse, whilst searching for the positives, I can't find them anymore. I'd like to hold my hands up & say I'm sorry, but I don't know any more. I don't know what's wrong, where we're going or what we're doing. I'm completely totally & utterly lost & I no longer have an answer for anything anymore.

The personnel problems started right at the end of the 07/08 season. We pushed Utd & Chelsea right to the 37th fixture that year & perhaps we should have won it. But we should have sat down & evaluated what was needed. But nope, we made do. It was the start of us 'making do'. We lost Diarra, Lehmann, Flamini, Gilberto, & Hleb. We bought Ramsey & Nasri... Then made do. We probably needed a Nasri on top of what we had in order to push that one last bit. Subsequently, there were no additions. We barely replaced. We bought Arshavin in Jan when we should have bought him in the summer previous. Clawed our way to 4th. That summer? Lost Toure &Adebayor. In? Vermaelen. Again, we needed a Vermaelen on top of what we had, so again, no additions. Just making do, once again.

We then finally made an attempt to replace those two losses a whole year later with Koscielny & Chamakh. So where are the additions? To help push on? By now, we've lost Eduardo as well. We go into 2011 summer. We lose Nasri, Cesc, Eboue & Clichy. We're down. We already needed additions to compete, on top of what we had so now, we're fu*ked basically.

We then send a depleted side to Old Trafford & Arsene lines up 4-3-3 & they're ripped apart from 1st minute to last. Embarrassing. How dare he line that side up as open as that, at Old Trafford. 4-5-1, pack that midfield out & play flat. Come away with a 2/3 goal defeat, people understand. But we've left ourselves in a position where we're selecting left backs that are being sold the very next day. Why the fu*k, how the fu*k, is Traore getting anywhere near that starting XI!?

We then leave it last minute, in true supermarket sweep fashion to bring in Mertesacker, Santos, Arteta & Benayoun. Ok, you've made your purchases. Not everyone's choices, but you've made them never the less. We'll get behind them...& as much as I love the likes of Arteta & as much as I respect & appreciate that we somehow finished 3rd in a sh*t-off between ourselves Tottenham, Chelsea & Newcastle - we knew what we needed so that we wouldn't find ourselves in this position again. We knew, we all did & at the start we thought the club did too.

We went out & completed deals for Podolski, Giroud & Cazorla. It was exciting, because finally, after years of not doing so, squad personnel/options looked good again. It may have been good enough.

But then every single one of us was smacked in the face with the sales of Van Persie, Song & the Theo issue not being resolved.

"Sorry, Theo. We can't offer you that extra 10k or whatever you want a week because Mr 28 year old & Mr 30 year old have no footballing ambition whatsoever & want to sit on their 50/60k p/w wages which prevents us from keeping our most dangerous player, which you are.

Bye."


Makes... no... fu*king... sense... WHATSOVER.

It’s the clubs fault we'll lose Theo, not his. Not his at all. And once again we find ourselves in the same, moronic, tiresome position of being short in the exact, same positions we have been for yeeeaaarrrs.

It's not on, it's not acceptable. We're not Everton. We don't have to sell before we can buy & hope we find a gem. David Moyes has to make do because they haven't a pot to piss in. Which wouldn't bother me if we were in the same position. But we have pots. Fucking loads of 'em. Each & every single board member has their own individual diamond encrusted, gold rimmed pot to urinate all over whenever the fu*k they like.

This club does not give itself a chance, on the pitch. We make do through choice, not because we have too. We don't compete because we choose not to compete. Not because we can't. Year after year, all we do is make do. No conviction. No direction. No ambition. Farce ...and there’s not a single person out there who knows how much it’s taken me to voice an opinion as strong as that.

Strong stuff eh?

Having read that back, it was said quite harshly, but reading it as if it were written by someone else I’m struggling to disagree with it, which means I think I’ve just about concluded my opinion. Finally. After years of not being quite sure.

I think the bigger picture is, if the likes of me are beginning to question; someone who is positive, tries to encourage, and tries to see the good of every decision, then how many more are beginning to do so? Because for the first time I think, it really does seem that more people than ever are concerned with what direction the club is going in.

Look, I’m a supporter first. I’m not a shareholder. Yes I have an interest in the day to day running of the club, of course I do. I love the club; I have an interest in all on-goings surrounding The Arsenal. But fundamentally I care most about what goes on, on the pitch. Nothing else. The football is my sole interest and what I see every game, every week, is beginning to get tedious for me, because as I’ve addressed I’m witnessing the exact same errors continue to happen every other game, every season… and what I’m really questioning is if the likes of me can see it, then why can’t the people at the top see it? Because let me tell you, I’m by no means qualified to manage a football club, but I’m educated enough, interested enough and have travelled up and down the country and Europe enough, to watch enough of us to know when the persistence of a flawed system with flawed tactics and a flawed shape is no longer working, and it isn’t. Not for this crop it’s not anyway. In fact, ask yourselves this, which player/s does this system benefit individually, if any?  Because I don’t see it.  Last season it benefited Robin Van Persie. That’s it.

I’m bored. I’m so bored. I’m bored of being out a title race before we were even in it. I’m bored of challenging for 4th. I’m bored securing 4th. I get nothing out of 4th? What do I get as a fan for finishing 4th? I get nothing. I don’t get anything financially, it doesn’t benefit me personally.  I’m bored of the fact Uefa and Sky have made the Champions League the be all and end all of football.  The only competition that really matters. I’m bored of striving to qualify for a competition we have absolutely zero chance of winning, as much as it would complete my life if we won it.  I’m bored of reaching the latter stages of the League Cup and not bothering to show any sort of conviction to go out and win it.  I’m bored of completely neglecting the FA Cup.  I’m bored of goalkeeper errors.  I’m bored of failing to deal with set pieces.  I’m bored of being tormented down our left side.  I’m bored of lacking fight and a strong tackler in midfield.  I’m bored of not having any proper wingers.  I’m bored of playing players out of position and I’m bored of only ever having one striker to choose from ever.  No other club hinders themselves and gives themselves less of a chance than we do.  It’s almost as if the board, for their own amusement, tries and tests Arsene each season.

“Hmm… ok… try and finish 4th if we do this………..”

*and with a puff of smoke, Alex Song and Robin Van Persie were no more*

So what now?  Where do we go from here?  Horrible isn’t it?  There’s absolutely nothing we as an individual can do is there? Even if there was, I wouldn’t know where to start as I’m not entirely sure where the cause of the problem/s lie/s except that there is/are problem/s.

If Arsene Wenger were to leave tomorrow I think, and I’m stopping before I finish writing this sentence, it’s not as easy as that you see, but I think we’d be worse off. I believe he has made more errors in the last 2/3 seasons on the pitch than ever before. Player neglect, tactics, formations, player choice etc. I think he’s cost us just as many points as any individual player through his stubbornness, his lack of tactical awareness, and his persistence in waiting until at least the 68th minute before making a substitution.  I almost feel at times he pre plans his subs. Before a game, he knows who he’s going to take off and when, irrespective of the score line or the dictation of the game itself.  I may be wrong but it also seems at times he gets a kick out of the development and progression of an individual player more so, than what he should be concentrating on, which is effectively the three points on a Saturday.

But at the same time I wonder has he been a victim of neglect himself?

Has the current board neglected him and just assumed he knows the club inside out well enough, that they feel comfortable enough, almost not caring, to let him get on with it, do what he wants, when he wants, not have anyone to answer too or to meet targets for.

Now I don’t buy the argument there’s no one else who could manage this club. I think that’s quite an arrogant perspective to have. There isn’t just one manager in the world. There are plenty of decent enough managers, proven managers, at top level who could come in and do a well enough job at our club.  I do think we need a dramatic change and if you were to guarantee me a top, top class appointment then I think I’d find it very difficult to find the reasons as to why we shouldn’t make that happen. However sad that may be, with each season that passes, I’m finding it more and more difficult to defend Arsene Wenger.

But, and there is a big ‘but’ with that.  Do you trust this board to make the right appointment if Arsene Wenger were to leave tomorrow?

Because I don’t.

I find myself questioning every other week whether or not he’s up to the task anymore, for the simple fact that nothing ever changes. Same tactics, same formation, same neglect.  How Sir Alex Ferguson continues to modernize himself season after season, despite turning another year older is incredible.  He’s as much in touch with the modern day game as the likes of Jose Mourinho.  He does a sensational job.  Man Utd play a different formation, with different tactics, in a different shape dependent on the opposition.  We don’t.  Well, we can’t.

Man Utd bought Robin Van Persie, not because they needed him, they didn’t.  They bought him as an addition.  An additional player which they thought could help push them into leap frogging Man City from last season.  They’d still be up there now without him.  Yes he’s scored a large majority of their goals so far this season but that’s only because Rooney pays slightly deeper now, almost Cazorla-like.  But they hoped a signing of Van Persie’s quality would continue to keep them challenging both for the title and in Europe.

Irrespective and regardless of what mistakes Arsene Wenger makes today, I am eternally grateful for every single bit of input and success he has had with the club.  My happiest moments have all been with him at the helm.  I remember Alan Smith v Parma that was my first 90 minute game I ever watched on the box the entire way through, I was 8.  I don’t remember the domestic cup success of ’93, but I remember the heartbreak of Nayim scoring in Paris a year after our defensive success of Copenhagen.  But I was too young to appreciate/experience any of the success/pain at those ages. So my first true experience of pure joy was the 98 double.

I read and hear many fans say they don’t think they appreciated the invincibles at the time, or the double success of 2002 enough as they perhaps should have.  Well, I think I did.  After the 2001 summer signing of Sol Campbell I was so convinced we would win the league that season that I wanted to do something memorable.  That season, on the way to school, I proceeded in buying a paper the morning after every fixture.  In doing so, I now have a collection of newspapers from every fixture that season, and every now and then I flick through them and have a read.  At the start of the following season, Wenger made the claim “I believe we can go the whole season unbeaten.”  I believed him.  So once again I proceeded in continuing to buy a newspaper after every single match day.  We kept that unbeaten record up until mid-October until a 16 year old Rooney buried a peach.  Something of which he’s continued to make a habit of thereafter.  I have the Monday morning newspaper from that weekend, and I continued to stick it out for the remainder of the season.  I got an FA Cup win out of it.  2004?  Well, we all know what happened there.  I kept up the newspaper collecting until Man Utd ended our unbeaten run on match 50.  The point is, I only decided to start collecting newspapers because I believed we had a very special squad at the time, and low and behold look what we achieved in that three year period. Incredible, historic success and I’ve got the newspapers from the fu*king lot and I’m chuffed to bits about that, it was a great call from a young boy.

I’d be the first to travel up to the stadium tomorrow to congratulate, thank, and say goodbye to Arsene Wenger if he were leave for whatever reason.  I mean that, I truly mean that.  When the day comes it will be one of the saddest days I’ll ever experience in the history of my club.  I will never forget all that he’s accomplished, the joy he’s brought not just me personally, but all the fans, all over.  He’s made the single biggest impact, I believe, in the history of the club.  He’s revolutionized the game, the club, and won trophies, breaking records in the process.

I’m not saying ending his tenure as manager is the right thing to do, but I can’t promise or argue any longer that it isn’t.

We all want what’s best for Arsenal Football Club and a regular phrase of mine is that whatever happens, I’ll always go down with my ship.  But right now, I don’t want too.  I want my ship fixed.  The Main mast doesn’t work in conjunction with the Foremast; we need a new Crow’s nest, whilst the Captain’s cabin needs a revamp as well.  We need more than just a little care and attention, we need an overhaul.  The smaller problem is that the storm may have only just got going, what really worries me is if it continues, there’s bound to be choppier seas ahead.

If the seas get too choppy it may be time to venture into another past time like playing poker online. Or at least playing it in between games to see if you can be part of winning something at least.

Scott Davis, 10/11/12

@ScottyDavisAFC

Comments (29)

  • Dim  - Oh dear
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    Oh dear, I'd be absolutely embarrasssed to have even tweeted that load of infantile whiney spoilt child load of bollcoks, never mind repeat it here.

    What a pathetic little child you are. Get some perspective yopu dull cunt.
  • d  - n
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    good article
  • MeanLean
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    Dim,

    While I do not agree with all of the above points, it makes for much better and more sensible reading if you offer a sensible counter argument rather than abuse.
  • Alfienoakes
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    ML. I think you'll find that "dim" (how ironic....) is probably a fairly illiterate troll. Wouldn't waste too much time on that one.

    I agree 100% with your comments. No one is asking for the quadruple on a plate.. Just to compete properly with the resources we have. There's not much use having 70 mil in the bank when your out of the race after 11 games. I think the players seem to have lost belief in wenger. I don't think he knows what to do for the best now. It's like watching an uncle gradually circum to a mental illness. How can we take some of these clearly talented players, and reduce the, to this.? How can we keep thinking that what we have is good enough when time and again it clearly isn't.

    Be prepared thou for more of the same.. This rot has been setting in for years now, and something has to give before it gets better.

    As a business, we are great, but that business is driven by the fans and the players. And they are two things are are not right at the moment.
  • Anonymous
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    i agree
  • John Thomas  - Dim
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    Well Dim by name and Dim by nature, you must be braindead to come out with that diatribe, learn to debate matters of opinion not spout that crap.
  • Humble  - Mr
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    I agree with u son, I miss my arsenal of Thierry Henry,Veira,ray parlour,tony Adams,sol Campbell,edu,van brocorst,will tord,Kanu,Robert pires,Martin keon,Reyes,toure, etc These days arsenal take the lead u get scared they wud throw it all up and when a side like united or city goes 2-0 down u will relax dey wud come back on top! That's the arsenal I fell in love wiv! My take on this is if Arsene Wenger is not involved he is part or beta still knows something about it. Wenger won't fix wen dere is a problem but does wen there is none.Arsenal lacks ambition period! This team can't win! Ramsey,charmark,ashar,santos,squill,djorou,fabianski, should be sold below cost price for f*** sake. Arsenal board dissolved, Ivan & peter prosecuted! Arsene Wenger given a deadline and know his job is to deliver trophies and not declare profit. SAF does not care if man utd is going bankrupt or not! IT'S NOT HIS DAMN JOB!!!!!!!!!
  • Deanodoes  - You right!
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    Spot on mate, let that knob Dim be exactly as he's named. This Arsenal team have been making the same mistakes for seven seasons, we have needed a stronger squad for seven seasons in the same positions, yet nothing gets done. We have no alternatives to the starting 11 and this is why, after five games we look dead on our feet. Arteta and Cazorla have been awful the last few games because they need a rest, but when you look at the squad there is no one there to fill the space in the side. This wouldn't happen at Man U, Chelsea, City or even as much as it pains me to say it, Spurs. United were able to cope and barely lose a point with Rooney injured for more than a month, if we had a player of his capabilities our entire ethos would be built on him and if he were to get injured we would be doomed. It is no coincidence that Arsenal failed to win a game without Arteta in the side last year.
  • Tony  - You have a short memory
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    8) I have supported Arsenal since the 60's i remember the double in the 70's and waited years for the title at Ainfield. you lot are all spoilt just because we have had the most successful period ever in Arsenal history you want to Judas the man who gave you that!

    Be smart and back your team... we win as a team we lose as a team. We will win again i am sure of that i see something special happening at Arsenal again. I have seen it before this team will win honours i have no doubt about that. but as for you spoilt moaners go and support the Manchester clubs you are all Peirs Morgans underpants! always stained....

    glory hunters your days are numbered! prawn munchers your days are numbered! we love the Arsenal we do!
  • Donald S
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    Agreed on all points. Good article. It will be the clubs fault if Theo leaves, just like it will be the clubs fault if Sagna gets sick of watching our best players leave and he goes himself. RvP behaviour toward the club was disgusting, however- i still blame the club for not matching his ambition and even more selling to a rival. Lets compare to Bilbao, just like most all the clubs in Spain, they are in trouble financially Llorente was their main boy last year, refused to sign a new deal- but Bibao didn't recieve what they felt was an acceptable offer and kept him at the club rather than sell to a rival. Arsenal on the other hand make profits, have the most expensive seats in Europe pretty much, yet they still are more than happy to accept a paltry 20mill for the best striker in Europe and lets him go to our rival so Fergie's title challenge is enhanced instead of doing the sensible thing and tell RVP to find a club in Europe or else your staying put to play beside Caz and Pod. I find that unacceptable how we could just let him go like that, how could our club with a straight face say we're competing at the top level letting our best players leave every year.
    The last AGM meeting was a farce, Gazidis giving us lip service about this incredible wonderful rosy future in 2years. Its always wait a couple years with Arsenal, its been like that for 7years and not once have we progressed, and whenever we do- we sell all our best players and not replace them. Hill-Wood saying RVP being sold was for Football reasons! Nonsense.
    Your right the product on the field is tedious, it doesn't matter whos in the back 4 or in goal we can't defend from crosses or corners. We can't protect leads and we only ever have one striker. The best striker we have is currently sitting on the left wing in a system which doesn't suit our personnel. I watch this team, and Shalke Fulham Man U and Norwich before them dominated posession and created the better chances and gave us a roasting, even at home Fulham took the game to us. We look like we don't know whether to be a counter attacking team, or a patient passing team or a team that wants to fire crosses into Giroud, we don't know whether to sit back or commit boys forward and we often look caught inbetween all of it and the end result is clueless performances. I could have told Wenger if he lined up Ramsay on the right of a front 3 instead of Theo and allow Santos unprotected to match up with Valencia we were going to get hosed by Man U, and so it proved. How did he not see it?
    Finally your point about relying on Diaby is on the money, Diaby simply is unable to play every week physically and Wenger put all his eggs in that basket after selling Song and the end result is our midfield constantly getting outmuscled. We all know, the positions we need to improve- but its the same positions every year, and as you say we may bring the player we need in, but we'll have to sell our best players to do it. Sad state of affairs at the club, and anyone who doesn't see this isn't switched on.
  • AFC Forever  - Ballsy
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    Scott Davis this is a fantastic article! One of the best and most honest I've read in literally years!!
    I love arsenal like my second wife, and Arsene like an uncle but what he's starting to make excuses for is now increasingly difficult to swallow. You're completely correct to say what you have about the years of decline and lack of REAL addition to the squad. It all stinks of lacking ambition. If the AGM told us anything, it's that in the face of that very reasonable question, the controlling parties of our beloved club have no believable answers. Just the usual financial security rhetoric. Its embarrassing seeing AFC blogs with fans berating people who are dissapointed with what they see. All you arsenal fans that critic us others for complaining/whining/voicing our concerns - are the real fools. It's you so called fans that keep this cycle going, because you "stand for nothing then fall for anything". It's time for change and quickly or AFC will be the new Liverpool - domestically irrelevant.
    Ps. Scott the newspaper thing is great! I'm envious! ;)
  • Sydney Gooner
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    "I believe he has made more errors in the last 2/3 seasons on the pitch than ever before. Player neglect, tactics, formations, player choice etc. I think he’s cost us just as many points as any individual player through his stubbornness, his lack of tactical awareness, and his persistence in waiting until at least the 68th minute before making a substitution. I almost feel at times he pre plans his subs. Before a game, he knows who he’s going to take off and when, irrespective of the score line or the dictation of the game itself. I may be wrong but it also seems at times he gets a kick out of the development and progression of an individual player more so, than what he should be concentrating on, which is effectively the three points on a Saturday."

    I hate to say it but this part is all very true. But if the board don't hold him accountable I honestly can't see Wenger ever changing these habits.
  • PM  - Conspiracy Theory
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    Whilst I 100% agree with Scotty's frustration in both transfer policy and tactical obstinacy, I do think there are some rather obvious issues contributing to the stagnation in the club.

    Yes, it's forced stagnation, but I think the reason Arsene and the board seem so complacent is because they have three issues dovetailing in 2013-2014 that they feel will vault them back to prime position in both the league and the market.

    These three issues, as most of us are now aware, are 1. commercial contracts 2. FFP and 3. FA salary cap. For Arsene, Ivan and the board, they look at the money now in the bank and say, Why buy Falcao for 50m now and pay him 250k/week when in a year we will be in position to buy him and pay him half that?

    Is it naive to believe either of the above policies will be enforced? I don't think so. But then, I live in New York and see how American sports live and die by collective bargaining and salary caps. I don't think even Roman and Mansour enjoy spending as much as they do. They'd love to spend less. So they will support these measures. And then it will be down to revenue, where Arsenal are clearly better placed.

    If the Adidas offer is true and Nike has right to match, we'll have a handsome new shirt deal, with further income being built every year. Our debt is manageable and we are not even close to FFP violations.

    All of which means, Arsenal have been preparing for the future and suffering for it, and there may be a few dark seasons ahead before it pays off. But, all signs still do point to prosperity. And not just for the shareholders.

    Having said that, I wouldn't be the least surprised if Arsene retires as soon as all of that is in place. I don't see him as someone who can't wait to have the advantage. He's too pragmatic. He probably has a replacement in mind and it won't be Mourinho or Pep. It will be someone like Bergkamp who loves the club as much as Arsene and is being trained at Ajax with the same principles of player development and playing style.

    I don't like watching us play so poorly and seemingly unwilling to compete, but I do still believe that there is logic and rationale behind it. And that when/if things do change, there will be quite a bit of money to spend on the best players in the world as of 2014/2015, by which time we will have all gone completely mental and cannibalized each other in the stands.
  • Anonymous  - Sadly, very true.
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    I think you're completely correct, but I really wish you weren't. I son't want to reduce myself to a United or Chelsea fan level where you don't win, so you demand the club spends 30m on a player. It's a flawed thing to ask for, but the result of not buying good players is what's happening to us at the moment. I don't want a 30m player, I want 3 10m players. The trouble is, the board want one 7.5m player that they can sell in 5 years for 25m, no matter how much it affects the club. It's impossible to say getting rid of Wenger would be a good idea, because we have no idea who will replace him. Everyone says Pep, but why would he come to our team? I hate having to be this negative, but all of a sudden negativity and realism are the same thing. I'm only 15, so I'm barely old enough to remember the glory years, so honestly I don't know what winning a trophy with arsenal feels like. I'd quite like to find out this season, but I have no idea how that'll happen.
  • Nick  - Great summary
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    Says it all. Well done. Ignore Dim who can't be arsed to debate you.
  • Omglol
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    Every year, every F.. year after bad period, media will slip, negative stories, and start the wenger out shit, wenger dont know shit about tactic, wenger bad player managment, wenger injure his players himself.
    All this things he wrote and put his emotions in it we read it from 2006.
    And every year this, so loyal Arsenal supporters will jump on it , becouse if you dont spit on the club the manager and everything that is connected with it, your blind and patetic supporter who dont have "ambitions" and not wanting the Arsenal to win the double every year.
    There is not much counter argument on this, when he filed everything with hate when we have bad period. Ofc we remember only last few bad games as point to defend our hate arguments. . Keep talking about relations, Wenger-board as if ANYONE know whats going on, you all have your crystal ball.
    I'm sad , and angry, frustrated from team lack of urgency whole season, but damn me if i jump on my team every time we have bad period.
  • richie
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    By the time you watched your first full 90 minute game, I'd stood on the terraces at Highbury for 20 years. Unlike you I waited years before I could celebrate the first trophy. I ran onto the Highbury pitch on that Tuesday evening in 1970 with absolute glee because my team had won its first piece of silverware in 17 long years. Like Tony @13:19 who remembers the following year and our 1st double in 71 we are not part of the generation that expects instant gratification. And that folks is the big difference!

    If you watched us win in Copenhagen aged 8 then you are part of a very privileged set who heard about all of Arsenals success preceding that win and went on to enjoy all the glory years. But……… The 1970 win was the start of the modern Arsenal era, before that all of our clubs success came from the 30’s, but after 71 we waited another 8 years for a cup and a further 18 years for the league. After beating Palma you got a double in 98 and another in 02 then an unbeaten league win in 04 followed by an FA cup, not only that but you’ve known nothing but Champions League football.

    In other words the Arsenal you know doesn’t finish outside of the top 4. The Arsenal you know is the Arsenal of Arsene. The team that played the best football the premier league has ever seen. What do you know of 76? What do you know of the years when we were mid table? What do you know of the years and years of frustration that us Gooners suffered during the 70’s & 80’s when Liverpool won title after title and we didn’t even compete! Never mind play entertaining football.


    That’s why many of us are prepared to wait for success. That’s why until we know the name of someone we think can do a better job than Arsene in the face of the massive financial doping that is massed against him we’ll stay loyal. Are we happy with the state of affairs at the club? No! But can we do something about it apart from moan and criticise our own? So until you name someone that you know can walk the tightrope that is imposed on Arsene Wenger and do a better job? Stop criticising, stop acting like a spoilt kid and try to see wood for the tree's. Let’s be clear SAF couldn’t do it. Nor could Moronho, or Pep Guardiola.
  • AFC2002
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    Believe it or not Wenger needs to stay but for no other reason really than the lack of a replacement for him. There are many managers who could arguably do a good job, but if we don't replace players like for like there's no way we will get a manager on Arsene's level. We are closer to Liverpool's path than we are to Man Utd and the only way that will change is if we have a winning mentality. Forget the players, our 2nd team/youth showed more fight against Reading than our starting 11 will do all season. Wenger plays favorites weekly and that is why Ramsey is indispensable. Unacceptable. Ramsey's injury might have been a major setback but we can't play him every week especially when we're not winning. Gambling on Ramsey returning to his form before injury costs us points and other players valuable minutes and experience. We do not learn from our mistakes so brace yourselves for a rough year. Spuds this week, say your prayers.
  • Manuel_afc93  - Thanks Scotty
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    Well said. I retweeted every bit you said yesterday. Enough said. Can't had anything more.
  • jd  - Logical thinking
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    I accept that there were years when the club won nothing and that as a generation of fans we are very priveledged to have seen the success that we have. I do appreciate Wenger and accept that there are many things that he does better than any manager. There are however a few things that bother me and I agree with quite a lot of wha scotty has said. I have always tried to be positive about the club and agree with the view that to be a supporter you need to support your team and try to get behind them always. It is always good to look at the positives but I am also a very logical thinker and like to analyse the facts. I accept that we won't be able to compete with Man City, Chelsea and Utd while they are spending the money that they are currently spending and to expect us to is unreasonable. I do think that we consistently finish in the top 4 and aren't a milion miles away. So perhaps if we tried a little bit harder and invested a little bit more in the playing squad then we might give ourselves at least a half decent chance. When I ask myself the question is it possible to invest a little more in the playing sqaud I think about how much we seem to spend every year and think about whether it is likely that we will have any more to spend. When you do the sums it is inevitable that you will notice that in the last few years we have made a profit in the transfer windows nearly every season so the answer to the question could we spend a little more has to be yes of course we could even if we simply re invested the total ammount of money made from player sales we would be spending more than we currently do. For me what seems even stranger is that if I ask the question do I think we should have more money to invest in the squad the answer has to be yes because we are always being told that the champions league brings in so much money it has to be a priorilty and we cant afford to fail in it so this must provide a good ammount of cash of which some should be invested in the playing staff. Another thing which I don't need to be told as a fan is that our ticket prices in our massive new stadium are very high and I also have to pay a fortune for things once I am inside. Add that to the premium price I along with thousands of other people pay for shirts and the money that we get from sky after I have paid a fortune for their sports package every year and we must surely have something to contribute to a transfer budgetevery year. These are simple questions that should have logical answers and all I want as a fan is a bit of transparency from the club. I pay so much money to see this team so why is it that none of it seems to reach the transfer kitty. Why can't anyone tell me and aslong as the club won't tell us the finger of blame will wave all over the place.
  • IndiGooner  - Oh Dear
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    I could not finish reading half the article. I stopped after reading we are 1 CB short. So you want Hummels/Kompany/Vidic as 4th choice CB though i wont mind it but we are not ManCity mate.
  • paspartu
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    haha poor thing...go find a woman .... :lol: :lol:

    arsenal has other priorities than spending to win titles while three clubs can destroy us in transfer bids for the time being... so if you cant deal with it dont take it out on our club....

    get a life and realise that success comes in cycles..the cycle in 96-06 was very succesful for a club like arsenal..unreal almost..after that they decided to bank on it and built stadiums, academies med facs etc ttc..

    so from 1st and 2nd we now ve been getting 3rd and 4th...lol big deal..and we have been playing with kids and almunias mostly...

    why not look at it the other way ?them two or three who finnish above us need to outspend wenger by hundreds of millions to avoid getting embarassed from his younger and cheaper sides

    listen to richie
  • richie
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    @JD(Logical thinking)14:02/12 Nov

    As you have put forward some reasonable questions regarding the state of Arsenals current finances and why we aren't spending more on players and their wage contracts? Something that is not always reported fairly or accurately! I refer you to the excellent blog below please read it and return after with your thoughts.



    http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012_02_01_archive.html
  • richie
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    Actually I think Scott Davis the author of this article might benefit from reading the realities of our financial situation to fully understand why SAF (the big money spender) Moronho (big money spender who plays GG style football) and why Pep Guardiola (without the best academy in the world at his disposal) can’t do what AW does on a pittance.

    http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012_02_01_archive.html
  • craig  - the dark tunnel
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    PM- mate you're deluded if you honestly think FFP is gonna make a difference. FA salary cap, my arse!.

    Since when did Alumia play last Golum? Oh, a few seasons back. He's now at Watford. Keep up! LOL

    I see Wenger is rolling out the excuses ahead of the match against Golums team this weekend. Notice he is the only premiership manager to moan about the international game this week?

    IAWR
  • paspartu
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    about two years ago boy in the dark. :wink:

    so will you answer then or are you afraid ill embarass you again ?

    tell me what would united chelsea and city be if they managed to lose their titles from a team that is at 1/5 of their cost and 1/5 of their experience in players/personalities ?

    theyd be mugs wouldnt they ... :lol: :lol:

    can you imagine spending on torres drogba rooney rio valencia toure silva and losing it from wenger;s kids and second rate buys ? :lol: :lol:

    hehe theyd need to retire if something like that happened, wouldnt they? theyd need to hide somewhere and never come out again.... :wink:

    wenger has earned the right to do whatever he wants and moan about whatever he wants.

    you? what have you done for arsenal ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
  • paspartu
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    the best news this week i have received is that the posters who infiltrate arsenal blogs to raise tensions, attack wenger and organise protests..hahaha ..are from ****stan ..ahahahahah...perhaps usmanov has stationed them there ever since his arms deals in the region earned him some "benefits" with the law... :lol: :lol: :lol:
  • M ARSENAL FAN  - OHHHH YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! hye guys, hye mr.wenger...........see you again......oh my god.......still now i do confuse whether you read my comment or not.......but i dont care about it........i leave arsenal for several games, then my team be sloppy then........what happen, we still love arsenal........we will makes back to its track.........back you know..........maybe mr,wenger still remember the time, last time, maybe last past time.....when arsenal in big trouble.........when people do give up, always and almost fed up.....they were angry, frustrating, and so on...........but we still here, i am also in trouble life, that made me lost focus and always lost my arsenal games live severally........i am dissappointed, really guyz............sometimes i need mr.wenger to help me for something that only can help me to focus on arsenal, but how, could you.....you already came here twice but i got problem here, that i cant meet you eyes by eyes.....really frust for me......i do really wanna talk to arsene wenger........we help arsenal last2 time, but at least i do want to meet wenger.........that creates my beautiful arsenal even without trophy...............i am really down last several days due to my situation, but today i came back in real life........taking and find back my spirit, my lost spirit..............from my important person in my life, my lovely heart..........and to feel back also one of my spirit, that my ARSENAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats why today i came back for my Arsenal, for my Arsenal........................yeahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Allright!!!!!!!!!!!! for now, our team looking very good on individual player, but mostly not reached our expectation...........till now we still find the better formation on player against spurs...........regarding and including international fixture.................

    There are something we realize that we lost from the 1st three games than after that..........first, we lost one of three earial blocked......giroud, mertersacker and the lost one is diaby (his height).....how can we get it back, in same time we lost his dribble skill past over two three player.....really......how can we get it back.....we find it in last games against fulham that giroud blocked most aerial threat with his height.......want or not, we will keep stay with our talisman arteta for holding midfielder.......we believe on his style......but want arteta to stay guard specifically outside the box.......

    Then, this is one important thing that we want wenger to have it back........if barca has their triangle passing........we also has, but we has our own, my realize.........its our..............SQUARE PASSING STYLE.... that makes our passing looking great.........want or not, we want our player to create that form in games...........

    Allright..........this is also one of our treasure Arsenal that we lost in several games........make it back because it parts of Arsenal beautiful style.....i will find back, even in hardest way, for Arsenal style that eat all big team in its best shining tooth..........its only from you, MY MR WENGER......making back our passing, we want to see passing and each passing....we dont want to see misplace passing, or sloppy or sleepy pass from our player......once they entered Arsenal family, they will automatically got our great passing........show me on next games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    YEAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!1 then, the other thing......its what we realise on last game.......we are not closed down opponent as one unit.........MR WENGER checked it back......when opponent has ball, one of arsenal player will go for him but no one go for the other opponent player that can get his friend passing........correct it.......we must show we are all united to defend........

    Then, how will we play this saturday.....its really disguised to think.....because this can be one of our come back top four, BELIEVE ME........now, we want all Arrsenal player to fight with their life.........fight with all they have, pull out their will to win..........because this time, no one is exception in choice.......we will play player which we think will play for win.................

    Other thing is..............the one more thing that also the Arsenal precious treasure is Arsenal spirit and passion................where is the spirit guys......show me like our club is like our home, our family........show me the emotional and passion of win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 we all has the ability and specialty............show to the world..........dont make me shame in front of other fan...........we want to proud as Arsenal fan................

    Allright!!!!!! now is for the selection ahead of london derby...........who will play......what is our formation........the most problem now is we cant sold out all of our forward best thing, from giroud, podolski and walcott..........i can be sure that but with only one thing, just one thing........we will play the formation that pop up last two night in my mind.......we will play the WIND DRILL FORMATION............that also limited to our team only because, we have giroud......why....its secret from me.............so the formation that we will play is..........................
    4-3-2-1..........pull stop...........

    lets going into forward......this time, if we can to have walcott back, we will play those 3 upward......dont make a mistakes, i dont say to play podolski and walcott at wing, but we will play those three at centrally......do we ever see this formation.....after we will see this......and the one thing to success this form 3 head of wind drill formation is only one.....COOPERATION to each other.......means not goes only for the goal because they has that instint, but they need to alert more on their other forward, they need to believe on each other that they never ever doing before......why, because they there has the same THING.....that giroud has developed more on fulham games.......so we want to have more winning spirit in whatever situation.......

    okay...lets move to our midfield.........its hard for, little hard.....because we can see cazorla has hard time, even he got enough rest but we need him to rest little more, but want him to see back his performance last and last games, because we need him as the one of secret weapon on derby..........so, my choosen is, we will play arshavin in freedom and playmaker, but in high intensity of passing....because playing liitle second slow will makes arshavin creative intercept by opponent.........so, MR WENGER please play arshavin in starting, but not for whole time.....this my plan, we will play him in 1st 45minte only, and no problem to change if he injured, but hopefully for 45 minutes......then we will use cazorla in fresh and after his analytical on 1st 45 minutes..........so, we rely on arshavin to create and find way to creates chances, for chances and assists because we want arshavin to watch behind 3 forward and help get goal,not going for goal.......the others is arteta and the other one is for surprise.......its will be our captain to influence games as much he need.........alongside with arteta..........means, the back four is sagna-per-kos-santos..........i am put my believe back in santos.......at least he know arsenal fan feeling after the incident...........but in santos, we dont want to see santos training on forward but for backward..........we wants he trains backward like he is going forward.........we need he speed up to close gap on defend, using his body, why has big body if not using it for taking back the ball.....we want wojciech to be back............please back now man...........we need you now........but nevermind if not, but for mannone, do not alwyas giving high ball, give to our defender for making passing......and passing to move forward......forsure, they will stop our key starting passing, arteta and cazorla.....so we will blind them, those two will be second receive because the first receive will be vermaelen AS MUCH AS WE CAN........and dont afraid to move forward, the more we afraid the more we will be catch back........show me the tiger brave move forward.........and for our forward, this formation, the games finally begin for our come back.........with this formation, let show us how you triple guyz can do it.........all three will attack that we never see it before...........

    LASTLY, i will make my ARSENAL team back to the world.........and then, mr.wenger you must repay me for something..........like last season, i will ignore all others negative thing......i will be your side this time again, because you take me into your world.......so, we want also see the passion from you MR.WENGER, you also like the father, even already in 60's, but being back like you are 40's.......we want our Arsenal fight as much as we want and show the world our beautiful attack.................show that guys.....and tell them, i am the one who makes van persie he is nowadays, and if we want we will take it back, but we dont want, so we will makes the others to show the world what we are capable......Arsenal player.....one second its very precious for me in term of Arsenal beautiful playing.........dont waste even one second in my time........

    THIS IS OUR BEGINNING...............we will climb back,fight back, forsure this time............because this time i will come back with Arsenal team..........................................

    WE JUST ONLY BEGIN....BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ARSENAL OHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
  • jeddagooner  - FOOLS..!!
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    We are all fools.. fools to live in the 70's,80's past and fools to live in the 90's,2000's...
    What a conflict..
    We have a current manager who revolutionised our club, but inherited a quintessentially English back four.. 'If you can't win, make sure you don't loose'..!!
    'Silent Stan' is going to fleece our club.. All his sporting outfits are mediocre cash cows.. And now he has found his jewel...
    Wenger's philosophy of buy them cheap and young is flawed.. Cos when they grow up they want to win and Arsenal will sell them for a high price..
    'Fergie' keeps his squad and we have never bought one of his star players..
    Wenger is antiquated and lost up his own 'Arse'...
    1st team looses to 2nd Division Bradford.. well done Bradford.. have we not had enough as supporters..
    we pay our money because we are loyal FOOLS..!!!!
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