Written by Mean Lean on Tuesday, 14 June 2011 14:26

Yesterday I was apprehensive yet a little excited to see how Ivan Gazidis would handle the shareholders questions. I was glued to Twitter as there were a few kind souls who kept us all updated.

Gazidis must have expected an evening of very tough questioning, the fans anger and frustration has been clear. The club are not stupid, they read the blogs, they hear the phone-in shows on various radio stations.

The club know how the fans feel at present and I am sure Gazidis was prepared for the onslaught. Some of which I thought was understandable.

Issues such as the players acknowledging the away fans after every game is a must and I am surprised that this still has not been addressed. Why has the cost of Silver membership increased so dramatically and why are reserve games no longer shown. There were many more good questions being put to Gazidis and the club.

There was a pretty negative tone towards the manager and his coaches which I found somewhat distasteful. We all have our opinions on the squad but that is all they are. More than ever, there seems to be this know it all attitude of some supporters where they feel far more involved than they are.

There certainly appears to be this football manager mentality where all of a sudden everyone is an expert. Because of this criticism on the manager increases.

I scratch my head when I hear people say 'Right, I will give Wenger one more year to get this right or he can go'

Are some people playing Football Chairman 2011 in their minds. It is down to the people who run the club and not myself or any other Arsenal supporter. 

If I had a penny every time I read the phrase 'if I can see it then why can't Wenger' then I would be filthy rich right now. The decisions on the playing side is taken by the manager, he is the guy who has won actual trophies, the guy who gets paid to make real decisions and not spurt out random opinions like 'Lorik Cana' is the missing piece and then have absolutely no responsibility for that opinion.

Names, formations, systems are too easily thrown around without enough knowledge on those subjects and everyone has the answer.

We have failed to take the next step to win trophies, there is no doubt about that. Fingers need to be pointed in the direction of both players and manager but at the same time context needs to be applied to that criticism.

The question was put to Gazidis about the managers future and would he envisage a time when he may have to fire Wenger. Gazidis' answer was clear.

"We 100% support Arsene. We're 100% behind him. I 100% support him and think he's done a fantastic job through what's been a difficult period for this club. Bare in mind we've been in competition with clubs that have essentially unlimited spending power. Other clubs like Manchester United generate far more revenue than we do and in that environment I think Arsene has done a remarkable job of making sure we stay at the top end of the game"

We can kick and scream about not winning trophies and that includes myself, we can point the finger at what we believe is missing from the squad and which other managers around Europe may have done better in certain situations but let us not ignore context. Who is our competition? what are their resources? and have they managed to get in a better position than we have with less tools?

I am not suggesting that we should not question the manager. I believe that with the squad we had and the position we found ourselves in, we should have won the league. Whatever Wenger was doing in the run in was obviously not good enough. Something went badly wrong and he must shoulder some of that responsibility. But we are in a position where we can build and improve. Wenger and Gazidis have made it clear that this is the intention.

David Dein's name was mentioned a few times during the Q&A. This rather strange perception that David Dein was the messiah that brought us trophies is utter madness. David Dein did not push Arsene into buying players. David Dein did not send his personal scouting system around the world to find talents like Vieira, Petit, Anelka, Overmars, Ljungberg, Pires etc etc

It was the manager. When David Dein was around we were not scrimping and saving, fighting against huge investment with one arm tied behind our backs, also known as the Emirates stadium debt.

Our arm is being gradually freed as the months go by and the debt is decreasing. I think we will see more and more investment into the squad over the coming transfer windows.

Getting back to the Q&A I thought Gazidis spoke very well, came across as understanding and also told people what they wanted to hear. He has a good way of doing that. Many people say that Arsene is the king of spin, I don't agree with that at all. I believe that he speaks his mind most of the time and sometimes should hold back with some of his opinions as they are not always what supporters want to hear.

One subject that pretty much everyone can agree with and enjoy is the prospect of shiny new incoming players. Apparently Wenger and Gazidis have been working hard behind the scenes and have spoken to a number of targets.

Lille have apparently confirmed that we are in advanced talks with Gervinho although it seems that we have not yet agreed a deal with the club. As long as Lille do not start playing silly buggers then I expect him to be an Arsenal player in the next few weeks.

According to Sky Sports, we are stepping up our interest in Chris Samba. Not quite sure what stepping up means. No quotes, no evidence of any stepping up or down. I get the feeling that they just wanted to write another article about Samba and Arsenal.

Imagine if there was absolutely no truth to any of the Samba or Cahill interest from Arsenal. That would be hilarious. Apart from the media, which proof is there that we are trying to sign these players?

Agents? Arsenal? Blackburn? Bolton? Nada, zilch, nuffink. I think we just need to sit tight and wait for things to happen. You'll go mad if you don't.

Back tomorrow mad people.

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Comments (48)

• 14-Jun-2011 15:12 | | James  - Crap
  

  So what sort of supporter are you then? A fucking hypocrite I reckon. On the one hand you criticise these know-it-all shareholders for daring to have an opinion, and on the other you run an Arsenal blog which does EXACTLY that.
  
  Pathetic, weak and slimy. Gazidis has got right into your head hasn't he? With fans like you the club would be "fourth" forever. You have no passion, no guts, no soul. Why do you even bother?

• 14-Jun-2011 15:21 | | Alan  - Poor
  

  I think it's poor form to criticise fans for having an opinion. Football is an emotive game. Therefore it's not possible to detach yourself (as yourself have found with this blog). Fans have a voice in proceedings as Ivan indicated when asked who Wenger is accountable to. You are clearly not a person who invests money into the club but others do and therefore they deserve a say.

• 14-Jun-2011 15:23 | | Andy  - Shut Up
  

  Shut up James. You're an idiot!!

• 14-Jun-2011 15:25 | | Andy
  

  We have no say in how the club is run. Get it in to your brains. You pay your money you take a chance. If you don't like it support someone else!!

• 14-Jun-2011 15:25 | | Esso
  

  Wotcher mean lean. Still getting your fair share of gormless trolls over here then.

• 14-Jun-2011 15:27 | | Anonymous
  

  sad with asernal

• 14-Jun-2011 15:29 | | Lawal
  

  Hey u are very stupid people lik u we not let d club win trophy. Can u see we are suffering because of foolish wenger. I always pray too god somethin should happen so that he can quit . Can u see d extent dis mad man have push me too for me to be praying like dat. What make me angry most he always said arsenal we continue wit dere mad philosophy. And foolish board we do nothing because is satisfying them and surfering the fans pls is dat a club. Am begging arsenal to stop comin to watch dere match lets see how dey will survive without d fans. Thanks

• 14-Jun-2011 15:31 | | Andy  - Lawal you idiot
  

  Lawal you idiot.

• 14-Jun-2011 15:35 | | KINGRVP
  

  As usual very insightful however ML (not wanting to play football chairman). I do fear that if the current barren spell continue we could reach the point of no return. Right now we do not need much as RVP said however if we continue this way we will find it increasingly harder and harder to keep our best players. Nasri has his doubts so does Clichy ,Arshavin and Fabregas these are four of our better players. We are already starting to lose out on young players Smalling and Jones come to mind which could have been almost unheard of 6-10 years ago when we were winning (sigh such a long time). The reason I support Arsenal is indeed because of Arsene Wenger however I've had to ask myself the question "Do I support Wenger or do I support Arsenal?"I chose Arsenal. I think Wenger is a fantastic coach and I'm sure he knows whats wrong with the team. I really hope we get our act together because another trophy-less would spell disaster.

• 14-Jun-2011 15:39 | | Savage
  

  Good post. The word that sums it up? "Perspective".
  
  I had to smile when you mentioned Cana - a good number of blogs and "fans" had him down as the answer to our problems. I even remember one post with a massive headline slating the club after Sunderland signed him. Makes me feel like hunting that blogger down right now and delivering summary execution.
  
  I think Gervinho will be a good signing. He's got some genuine pace and I watched him getting in behind the defenders for Lille. With world cup experience for a top team, he's going right into his peak years and I'm hoping we can tie up the deal soon.
  
  And before anybody says, oh it's the French League ... Essien, Pires, Drogba, Nasri. Perspective, please.

• 14-Jun-2011 15:50 | | Andrew  - Fool!!!
  

  What is wrong with this fool!

• 14-Jun-2011 16:06 | | MeanLean
  

  Firstly I would like to say that I am not slagging people off for having an opinion. Everyone including myself is entitled to their opinion, which I mentioned in the article.
  
  I have an issue when people think they know more than the club and when they slag off everything to do with the club and manager.
  
  My main point was to be critical but with context. The fact that we are where we are on a previous limited budget so should be commended but instead it is ignored.
  
  I expected many to disagree with me today but these are my views and I would hope that people can respectfully disagree with me and not throw insults around.
  
  If you can counter argue in a civil manner then you are welcome here, if not then there are plenty of places that tolerate abuse.

• 14-Jun-2011 16:07 | | MeanLean
  

  ;-)
  
  How you been Esso?

• 14-Jun-2011 16:27 | | John  - Good post!
  

  Great post. It's almost worth it to let one of these Amchair managers run the club for a year. Oh how we laughed, or maybe not, relegation guaranteed.

• 14-Jun-2011 16:36 | | James
  

  I would consider quite a few supporters to have more intelligence and knowledge than Wenger considering he's happy to allow Arsenal to concede 50% of their goals through set pieces every season and do absolutely nothing about it.
  
  People place too much store in these managers. Yes, they know their stuff, but their knowledge is not that difficult to attain - they simply love their job from an early age and made it a career choice. It doesn't mean they don't have massive shortcomings that other people who have "not spent one day" in football cannot analyse better or make a better job of if given the chance.
  
  Is what a person earns always linked to intelligence and ability? Clearly not, look at the banking system - destroyed by stinking rich morons. Bit like how Wenger is slowly destroying Arsenal.

• 14-Jun-2011 16:45 | | Man United Killer  - ML always makes me split my sides with his jokes
  

  The only thing I agree with you on is that some criticisms are tactless and baseless...BUT you shouldnt sit here and judge people just because they are unhappy with the management of the club.
  Here we go...Again,well thought out article..but garbage arguements for most part.
  There can only be one captain for a ship that is why a club has only one manager.The fact that people find something wrong with the management does not mean they are trying to take the managers job.Why insult the intelligence of people just because they dont agree with the management of the OUR BELOVED CLUB.You might be right.there may be nothing that the fans can do but nothing lasts forever.
  You crack me up with your comment "if I can see it why cant Wenger"..truth is Wenger can see it but he is not willing to spend the needed money to do it(Heck sometimes it's not even about spending money but tweaking our style of play).If you want us to take responsibility for naming players why dont you want Wenger to take responsibility for naming and actually going out to buy players who are rubbish.At least we dont get to buy those we name.He does!
  Hahaha..you talk about the fact that he has won trophies..so what? The fact that a manager has won trophies does not mean that he knows everthing.Guess what many mangers have won trophies and most of them have a better "years at club:trophies won" ratio that Wenger and they still get warned or penalized for poor performances.It's only Arsenal Financial Organization that allows that.
  As for Gazidis the least said about him the better.He is only a puppet for the greedy board and the unambitious manager that we have.

• 14-Jun-2011 16:47 | | Man United Killer
  

  Fantastic Response...

• 14-Jun-2011 16:51 | | Man United Killer
  

  True Alan..Makes me wonder what rights my 30 years worth of investment in Arsenal gives me.Not even a right to have an opinion?Unbelievable!

• 14-Jun-2011 16:53 | | Man United Killer
  

  Solid Response Gooner!

• 14-Jun-2011 17:03 | | Anonymous
  

  Just ignore the fools. I think most of them were Spuds fans in a previous life.or adopted the club in 02.......
  Good post nice to see someone with perspective.
  Thought Gazidis came across well. he may have dodged one or two bullets but you cant expect complete transparaty when you have an open door. If I Felt anything at the end of the Q.a it would be that the club KNOWS where it went wrong and WHAT to do to rectify it. Weather it all pans out remains to be seen but atleast we all know where we all stand in most things regarding our beloved club.

• 14-Jun-2011 17:12 | | Passenal
  

  Well done ML - Best commentary on last night's Q&A bar none.

• 14-Jun-2011 17:23 | | Godwin
  

  First off the fans have a right to speak their minds concerning the club they support. It's not as if this article was bad, it just doesn't give a real reason as to why people shouldn't be allowed to critisise Wenger. Yes I disagree with many things he's done and no I don't think I could do a better job.
  
  And whats worse is that some people in responce to your article say that I used to be a Spuds fan, or that I should support someone else. At the moment there are two camps with Arsenal supporters, I just think we need to accommodate each other a little more.
  
  And anyone who tells any Arsenal fan they should support Spurs or another club instead of Arsenal just because they disagree with their point of view is a c**t.

• 14-Jun-2011 19:42 | | James
  

  If anyone can walk into the manager's job then why do you have to do all of your coaching badges?

• 14-Jun-2011 20:03 | | CHGooner  - Gervinho....
  

  FFS

• 14-Jun-2011 20:27 | | alan
  

  you re a loser twat. yes we all have a right to have our view and sense we see things wenger cant. doesn t make us the Chairman. Why are you running this site/ Without fan inputs you'd be less of a nobody than you already are. but you are a twat.

• 14-Jun-2011 20:30 | | Anonymous  - What a crock of Sh**
  

  Their knowledge is not that difficult to attain? All you have to do to get it is love your job? Quite a few supporters have more intelligence and knowledge than Arsene wenger. The X factor generation speaks.
  
  This must be the results of playing too much fantasy football or way too much Fifa 2011. Erm Hello out there reality check! Just because you play "call of duty" and win doesn't make you a marine.
  
  Arsene Wenger ain't new to this he cut his teeth winning the French cup and then the league with a bunch of unheard've before taking the bunch of nobodies to the semi finals of the CL. While developing the European player of the year who he took from an African village.
  Only Taggart has a better record in the prem.
  
  James even though you like the view take your head out of your Arse and get real!

• 14-Jun-2011 20:41 | | richie  - ML I like he blog but......
  

  Is there bad weather in England? Flooding? Or has Cameron screwed the NHS quicker than he planned? Because this has unfortunately brought out all those who need plenty of care in the community.
  P.S. thanks for correcting richie & richie 1

• 14-Jun-2011 20:47 | | Fatso
  

  Speaking to French Radio RMC, Sagna said: "I can say it’s true that Cesc wants to go to Barca.
  
  "Fabregas wants to return to his country of birth, to his city, where his family are. He wants to play for one of the best teams in the world, Barcelona, and that’s understandable."
  
  But the French defender reminded Barca it would be tough to land the skipper.
  
  "At the moment, however, he is still Arsenal’s captain."

• 14-Jun-2011 20:48 | | alan
  

  From wenger to gazidis to our physio, our commercial department and our team captain, everything about us right now is middling, and that is why for first time we are really under serious threst of dropping into a mid table position. Not asking for £50m players, just for Wenger to re establish the basics that got him his first double and then the Invincibles team. Some passion, strength and commitment. At the moment i only see that from Wilshere, VP. Vermaelen and maybe the keeper. The timing of this potential collapse is disastrous, with FFP coming in and the real risk of losing CL revenues, not to mention missing out on lucrative commercial deals riding behind that. .And with FFP, even a new owner like Usmanov wont be able to buy our way out of our problems. Maybe its been said before, but this really is a watershed season, not one to put weight of responsibility on likes of Ox-Chamberlain, the charlton signing, Gibbs, Hazard and even Wilshere. We need likes of Scott Parker, Vertognen, maybe even Craig bellamy for starters, Sell Rosicky, bendtner, fabregas, denilson, sqillaci,,eboue, Arshavin, vela and even walcott. Get in players with real fight and spirit, along lines of Winterburn, Wrighty, Vieira, Keown, Adams.

• 14-Jun-2011 22:20 | | MeanLean
  

  Their seems to be plenty of selective reading going on, how very interesting. I won't say this again but if you read the post then it says that we are all entitled to our views but that is all they are. The main point was to have context and perspective.
  
  I am yet to read a comment about our position with our resources. Can someone give me another example of a club getting in the position to build upon and challenge for trophies on our (former) budget?

• 14-Jun-2011 23:07 | | sapman
  

  are u drunk or something mate
  
  wenger buys cr@p cause thats all he can afford to buy.
  
  if you havent noticed arsenal has built a 450 million stadium. did u think they d be buying players from the top shelf ???
  
  just shut up all you moaning people. the manager has been overachieveing all these years..the club has no money ..and has built a stadium
  
  whateber it makes goes back to repay teh stadium nt risk it on players for trophies...trophies can wait ..stability is more important
  
  
  if you dont get it ....youre clueless so shut up and stop being an @sshole thinking you can judge or manage a club better than aprofessional like wenger.
  
  if anything say a prayer every night that your arsenal is at the hands of such a manager.

• 14-Jun-2011 23:13 | | sapman
  

  cause they cant answer that you see
  
  
  they all know how to ask this and ask for that but hey have no idea whether what they ask is attainable in a period where arsenal has just built a stadium and competes against teams with 100 m budgets per summer with a budget of 15 max
  
  and they dare complain?
  
  kick them the hell out of the grove them traitors...next w@nker who boos or says something bad about wenger or club to be taken out and beaten to recover his senses.

• 15-Jun-2011 01:29 | | Sam  - *Sigh*
  

  Man u killer, read the article again. He said he is not saying the club should not be criticized but there should be some context behind your argument. i know you are saying "my argument has enough context" and that is where the "I know all" part of his article comes in. I can't begin to count the amount of players that fans have suggested the club should buy that have turned out to be overrated and flops (melo, cana to name a few). we all have opinions but some fans talk like they are playing Football manager (you might think so), not really realizing this is reality. Arsene is tested and proven ,- he has kept us in top competitions for a long while on a shoestring budget- you might not know how hard that is but it is very very hard. it is frustrating that we come so close to winning then we slip up, but i know Arsene is the right man for this job and he'll provide. Criticism is good, but support for the man is needed a lot more, decisions you make on your chair at home in a minute, takes the management days and months to make, because they are tougher and riskier than they seem.
  
  But at the end of the day, no matter how delusional, ridiculous, reasonable, correct or harsh our opinions might be, it is because we all want the best for our club. Gooner till i die!
  @ajibadejide

• 15-Jun-2011 02:34 | | Man United Killer
  

  Sam fair point.I am not disputing that point.what you should be asking is where the author draws a line between what has and what does not have enough context.I believe that at the end of the day,opinions are opinions and they are called that because they may differ in many ways...context included.

• 15-Jun-2011 02:37 | | Man United Killer
  

  Sapman...why insult me when I have only stated my opinion?

• 15-Jun-2011 06:55 | | CHGooner
  

  Pathetic. How did the so called 'financial restraint' impact on our terrible defending from set pieces? How did it impact on the mental weakness we demonstrate time and again, how did it impact on playing Bendtner on the wing, how did it impact on Wenger's pathetic defence of his players as 'his best squad ever' with bundles of 'mental strength'. The ship is sinking. Just glad I got off a long long time ago. Sapman, Richie et al have a nice swim!

• 15-Jun-2011 06:58 | | CHGooner  - 15m?
  

  Oh and by the way Sapman, we spent more than that on Laurent and Hardy last summer. Joke.

• 15-Jun-2011 11:04 | | Podge
  

  And with fans like you we will be "fifth".

• 15-Jun-2011 11:07 | | Podge
  

  The line needs to be drawn right where fans end their argument "or he should be sacked" as the only big club in England that has needed to turn a profit in the last 6 years Wenger has done as good a job as anyone could

• 15-Jun-2011 11:10 | | Podge
  

  You have a point about supporting the club or manager. Wenger is not bigger than the club but he is the biggest part of it.Jones wanted to stay in the north of England and this summer is the first time I've heard of Arsenal interest in Smalling

• 16-Jun-2011 02:04 | | richie  - Janus returns?
  

  CHG thats rich coming from you!
  How did the finanial restraint impact on our terrible defending of set pieces?
  
  I seem to recall that you have often said our squad isn't good enough and you've called for big buys and an end to the failed kids experiment. So you didn't get your way and we didn't buy the expensive finished article (British) players you've been calling for, because there were finacial restraints. In which case its understandable that the sub standard buys you claim have been made would be incapable of defending particularly well.
  
  Which means Arsene has done a remarkable coaching job just as sapman states above to keep us in the position he has. Especially when judged against all the big money buys stacked against us. While working only with (as you've been saying) kids and cheap buys that are not up to Arsenal standards.
  
  You see you can't have it both ways without being either Janus or schizophrenic. From the very limmited expirence I have I see you as more of a Janus.

• 16-Jun-2011 10:59 | | richie  - Who's a Janus?
  

  For those not up on mythology Janus looks both ways simultaniously.

• 16-Jun-2011 11:25 | | richie  - So you have more detailed inside info?
  

  Your Laurent & Hardy gib is directed at Kosh & Squilla ,Includind bonus's if Squilla helped us to win something Sevilla were to get 5M. Kosh's much published protracted transfer from Lorient including all bonus's that could've been paid out came to 10M. I may not be an above average speller hence my towie spelling check, but the last time I looked 5 +10 = 15

• 16-Jun-2011 12:13 | | sapman
  

  dont you dare by the way me son...
  
  lay low and thank your lucky stars that our arsenal is managed by someone as dignified as arsene fkn wenger.
  
  he has kept the club at the very top with peanuts at his disposal and with rivals who have a spending power which is bigger than the whole arsenal establishment put together
  
  for a manager who had to juggle with stadium moves and a complete re-structure of the whole club (not just the first team) right in the middle of a financial crisis and with rivals like abramovic glazers and sheikhs he has done an incredibble job.
  
  if you expected trophies with a team of inexperienced youngsters right after building a 450million stadium with money we never had then maybe you were in your own fantasy world the last 6 years.

• 16-Jun-2011 13:11 | | sapman
  

  because if you want your opinion to be taken seriously enough and be treated with respect then that opinion must be the result of a comparison thinking process where you derive the results and conclusions out of facts and the actual situation you have in fornt of you and not your personal wishful thinking of what youd like to have.
  
  if people like you believe they can spout of tons of garbage after garbage and critisising a professional who , lets face it, knows more about football than all of us put together, then youre gonna have to accept my criticism on your opinions too.
  
  you MIGHT think that arsenal has money to buy puyol essien and ibrahimovic. but what you think is irrelevant to be honest and i personally do not really care what you personally think about arsenal. if my beloved football club was to operate according to the emotional frustrations of a few myopic fans then that would show me that my club is not a serious club and i wouldnt want anything to do with it.
  
  in here i see some people who see the glass half full and you and your alike minded people who only see it half empty. therefore arsenal has no real problem. the only problem is how you interpret what they are doing. if you look at arsenal as a growing football organism then you cant have any complaints.they are doing the right thing and they are keeping on with their schedule , and thats how projects work. if you look at arsenal as the @vessel@ which will comfort your miserable life by associating yourself to a group that wins trophies and thus take a bit of their glory then obviously the current set up arsenal is in, is not for you.
  
  i have had to listen to thousands of people like you complaining and moaning about things which are essentially natural for the stage of development arsenal is in. i see people with no intelligence or knowledge on the game thinking they can advise wenger what to do with the club that he has built with his shrew economical mind. there comes a point where you either pick up a rifle and start shooting all these idiotic infidels or you start hoping that these moaners get their wish and drive out wenger and then laugh in your faces as arsenal starts the real and actual decline of midtable mediocrity with no direction, leadership or even the prestige and high class sophistication we enjoy now.
  
  as far as im concerned for my arsenal, yes i love winning and yes i want trophies too...but i aint as foolish as some spoilt kid to compeletely ignore what it takes to reach the stage where you can win trophies. and that takes a lot of hard work and patience. you can do it the other way of course..the abramovic way...but lets be honest here..i prefer the arsenal way and i have no problem waiting or granting my manager and young players the time to learn form their mistakes and grow as characters so that they are able to handle the pressure situations they cant face now. arsenal does not lose trophies because of ability, arsenal loses trophies cause there is no big personality in there to stand up to terry ferdinand and the rest who come out and beat our players in their minds..not the feet. most of our players are way too young to be able to deal with such a thing. so instead of blastng them and making them feel as if theyre playing with their backs on the wall id rather encourage them even though i know and can see that eboue might never be good enough to win any kind of titles. and thats because i know and understand that wenger never even intended to win trophies with eboues but only to get him through a difficult period of transition and if any trophy comes our way then thats a bonus but not the number one priority.
  
  -------------------------
  
  now mean lean .... you say that arsenal has shown a failure to take the next step and win trophies.
  
  sorry but how can any of you know when wenger or arsenal planned to be winning trophies again?
  
  what if this next step you all crave for is not in the cards for another 2 or 3 years ? will you all stop supporting your club then and call them failures.
  
  i generally aggree with your mentality but in this case, im sorry, but i wont. the majority of our players need to reach full period of peaking ( thast between 26-27 to 30-31) before you can call them failures. diabby (22) not winning the league of drogba (33) and lampard (32) is nto an anomally. in fact its natural. when lamaorad was 22 and 23 he was getting ridiculed by the then 27 and 28 year old gilberto and vieira. ..this shows that maturity of character to execute what the managers and fans ask for comes a bit later than 21 22 23 or even 24. it wasnt ronaldo who won the champions league for ferguson but the cool head of ryan giggs to execute what john terry failed to execute.

• 16-Jun-2011 13:24 | | sapman
  

  why insult you ? you insult gazidis, wenger , our players ,people who work for arsenal mate..what have you done for arsenal other than moaning like a sick parrot all the time ?
  
  see where im coming from or not yet ?
  
  
  you call wenger a manager with no ambition who took a dysfunctional club of alcohoolics and turned them into a wolrd class football club and you wonder why youre getting insulted ?
  
  maybe i dont apprecite people who are ungreatful and dont know what theyre talking about.
  
  maybe ive had enough of amateurs thinking they can critisise pros liek arsene wenger who was voted as the best manager in the world for the last decade by an institution which holds way more gravity than you or any other moaner.
  
  so if i get this right..gazidis wenger and all the rest are vampires who have been drinking your blood all these years while dein and usmanov are the philanthropists who will save arsenal and give you pleasure by spending their own money????
  
  if mr dein is mr arsenal himself then kindly explain his motivation in selling his shares for 75 million. if there is one person who actually made a fkn fortune out of arsenal its him. and look at him now staging war on arsenal to facilitate the intrusion of an uzbeki oligarch whose intentions are only to laundry money like his buddy roman is doing.

• 16-Jun-2011 13:26 | | sapman
  

  you reckon that when dein and usmanov get in...that dein will use the 75 million he made FROM THE CLUB and invest it back in the club again to buy you the messis and ronaldos of the time ?
  
  

• 22-Jun-2011 21:53 | | Chickenfucker  - Wenger is another chickenfucker
  

  The great chickenfucker Arsene wenger's arse is as stupid as his cowardice ever scouting for other clubs to snap up what he has lined up. He is the only coach who has revealed all his planned targets and other market intentions, making easy for other coaches to snatch what he has identified...........big mouth mouthy wenger who cant stop his lust for what he cant buy. he can as well keep his money as souvenir in the archives if he cant even afford a mere Yesil the German U-17!

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