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Written by Mean Lean on Thursday, 07 July 2011 13:56

I am bored, have had just about enough of it now. It is time to clear my head, take a step back and breathe in and remember what it is that made me follow this great club in the first place.

It started last night in fact, scrolling through many wonderful people on Twitter in between doing a bit of work from home. I was conversing and responding to messages about Limpar Assist's very good piece yesterday, the transfer window amongst other things. But it was when I was checking the training pictures of the players on Arsenal.com that I suddenly had an epiphany.

I have had enough of letting the negativity surrounding the club get to me, I have had enough of worrying about life without Cesc Fabregas. Fed up of wondering about who will make the through passes in his absence when one day he leaves the club. Whether that be this summer, next summer of at 34 years of age when he retires.

I have had enough of thinking about Samir Nasri leaving after half a good season. Fed up of wondering where he might end up. I cannot be Arsenaled anymore.

Quoting the wonderful Tim Stillman, It's about half past I don't give a shit time. If Nasri wants to stay at Arsenal and develop under one of the best managers around at improving young players then I will virtually shake him by the hand and hope he knuckles down, works hard on his game. Starts making more of an effort to use his pace and beat players and make off the ball runs instead of always being sucked in towards the ball. He needs to expand that patch of top form over the course of a whole season and bingo, we have a superstar. If his agent or he himself is not convinced with either our wage increase then 'Tadda luv!' close the door behind you and we will move on.

Samir Nasri is well within his rights to run his contract down and do as he pleases. Not very nice for us supporters and certainly not nice for our manager who had brought the player here for big money, worked hard to improve his game and hand him the platform to showcase his potential but that is football. 'Do what cha gotta do Sami'

I supported Arsenal when we were at Highbury, I watched *a big bald bloke wearing the number 5 at the back. We had a *bulky striker with the number 7 playing out wide. We lofted long punts down the pitch for Alan Smith to win flick on's so we could feed on the knock downs. It was life as an Arsenal fan. I bought into the club, I went weekly. The names Bergkamp, Vieira, Cesc, Nasri and so on did not exist to me.

I knew of the players we had, but more importantly they all played for a club called Arsenal FC. That name was on my Arsenal shirt that had JVC plastered across the middle. All these things change apart from the name of the club.

As the years speed past, the players vanish. They either start to turn crap and then are sold off, or they become great and get targeted by other clubs and lastly they spend their career at the club and retire (thank you Dennis) Either way, players come and go but the club remains.

From the glory seeking Gooner that I was in 1989 to the obsessive Gooner in 2011, everything has changed. The stadium has changed, the manager has changed, the players have changed many, many times over so in ten years time I expect most of the players as well as the manager to have changed but I won't. Apart from a larger gut due to one burger too many.

Having had debated my views on the club via the comments with posters who have very different views, it struck me. It struck me that the enjoyment of supporting a team is slowly being sucked out of certain fans. There is a picture being painted of our club and people are walking past the picture every day and are frowning about how ugly it looks. That person tells other people about how awful the picture is and it spreads. When we have so many different platforms to express how ugly this picture is then it can spread at an alarming rate.

I have stopped, flipped the picture upside down and realised just how lovely this picture actually is. If in ten years time we are languishing in midtable, I will still think very highly about the people who pull on the shirt just as I did under Graham when we finished in midtable. It was still my team who turned into a cup team at the time.

It seems as if people do not want other people to love Arsenal anymore but that isn't possible, at least not for me.

Going back to the official website, I was looking through the training pictures and thought of the individuals we have at the club. Jack Wilshere, Aaron Ramsey, Ryo Miyachi, Emmanuel Frimpong, Carl Jenkinson, Kieran Gibbs and many more. All youngsters who have bought into the Arsenal way. All players looking to improve their game. We have Thomas Vermaelen, Alex Song, Theo Walcott and Bacary Sagna. All internationals for their countries, all hoping to improve their performances from last season. They may not all be Lionel Messi but they are our players.

Take out two of three of last season and we still have a strong foundation, a foundation that the boss is trying to strengthen. He is trying to correct the wrongs and turn the side into winners.

But believe in Arsene Wenger or don't believe in him, that is your prerogative. The question is, what are you going to do in the meantime? worry? complain? mock others for supporting the club they love?

What exactly does that achieve? How does it help? When you go to a restaurant and you don't enjoy the food, do you go around to other tables and pour mud in other people's dinner and mock them for enjoying the taste of their food? I do not understand what the gain is from trying to destroy other fans enjoyment and I have come to the realisation that I no longer care anymore.

What I do care about is watching Jack Wilshere scuttle past two central midfielders with a driving run and then a slipped past through to Walcott.

I care about watching Thomas Vermaelen thundering in with a tackle, get up and ping a floated pass into the feet of the driving Sagna.

I am looking forward to watching Van Persie shape to shoot on his left foot, leave the defender on the floor and check back on his right to cross to the back post and the defender knocks it out for a corner while the Arsenal fans already standing up have oooh'd and applaud the skilful play from the Dutch magician.

I am looking forward to watch Aaron Ramsey back to his pre injury best, driving into the final third after exchanging passes with Wilshere and driving a daisy cutter into the far post beyond the dive of Brad Friedel at the Lane.

I am looking forward to the Emirates faithful chanting 'We got Gervinho.. We got Gervinho.. We got Gervinho!!!' when he scores his first home goal for the club.

I have read that being happy with what we have lacks ambition of some sort. I do not quite understand that one myself. I was under the impression that it was the people employed by Arsenal that make the difference and not supporters. Therefore moaning about everything to do with the club does not improve the ambition of the club equally, enjoying the club you love does not lessen the ambition of Stan Kroenke, Ivan Gazidis and Arsene Wenger. They are the professionals who are employed to make the difference. My role is to support my club. To me, it sounds like a free pass to continue to moan and complain. This does not mean that everything is perfect at the club because it is not. Ticket prices are sky high, so much so that I am priced out of many Emirates games but that will not change how I feel about the club.

I used to love Ian Wright as a player. Worshipped the guy more than I did Thierry Henry. Probably an age thing. Those memories will never leave me but Ian Wright the pundit? Jeez. Someone tape up his mouth. The same applies to Paul Merson. I think they have been reading one too many tabloids.

Moving on to the news that really Mata's. Sorry.

I was watching Graham Hunter on Sky Sports this morning and he sounded very sure of himself that Arsenal have met the players (Mata) buy out clause (which I thought was only for Spanish clubs but never mind) and that the Emirates would be his most likely destination. Sky Sports swept that under the carpet and instead chose to continue with the John O'Shea is heading to Sunderland ticker. Yet, Chelsea enquiring about Samir Nasri was massive news yesterday. Interesting. No need to throw a spanner in the works of Arsenal in crisis I guess. Not that I care any longer you see.

I don't know what to make of this story really. Valencia have said that Mata is not leaving this year and I guess it cannot be a bargaining move as he already has a release clause, so I guess they would be powerless if the player actually wants to leave.

Karim Benzema is back on his way to Arsenal once again for £27m or something. I'm not quite sure who I would prefer at Arsenal though, Benzema or Kevin Doyle? *scratches head for a moment* Probably best to go with the Premier League player who is used to it up em or something. I kid, I kid.

It came from the Daily Mail so make of that story what you will. Having said that, Benzema is actually the type of player that would flourish under the love and guidance of Arsene Wenger. With Carlos Tevez wanting to find sunshine closer to home, I wouldn't rule out a move to Real of the Madrid. But then even if Benzema was surplus to requirements, he would have plenty of interested parties with deeper pockets than we have.

Right, I am off.

Back again tomorrow.

* Steve Bould & Kevin Campbell were the players described for the newer Gooner.

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Comments (82)

  • EIE  - WENGER OUT
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    Wenger out!
    Pat Rice out!
    Stan Kronke out!
    Hill-Wood out!
    Denilson out!
    Bendtner out!
    Eboue out!
    Diaby out!
    Arshavin out!
    Rosicky out!
    Almunia out! :x
  • Andrew
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    Wenger out?! You have got to be kidding. Can I just ask you how many times Arsenal qualified for the Champions League pre-AW? Two doubles, undefeated in 2003/04. Who but AW have achieved that? Who but AW have continued to take an inexperienced squad to the top three or four year in year out, without the funds to really make a splash in the transfer market? Is a player better because he costs more?! Wenger has brought great success and great talent to this club. Give him the respect he deserves.
    However, EIE, I wholeheartedly agree about Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby & Almunia!
  • TH14  - you forgot
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    Cesc out!
    Nasri out!

    If they think they can do better elsewhere then they can F**k off. Simple!

    PS. thanks Cesc and good luck!
  • thenry  - EIE OUT !!!!
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    EIE OUT :P !!!
  • angelic beardy
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    I have to admit being worried about this coming season. I feel we will struggle for the top four this year but we do have some good young talent here especially English talent. I suppose we can only support our team regardless if they are mid table or top 4 but i seriously think this is Wengers last season in charge. The crowd seem very restless whenever i go to matches and if we start off badly then it will only be a matter of time before Wenger departs.
  • Chris
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    You as an Arsenal fan out (I do agree about Hill wood and Denilson)
  • Dave  - Thanks
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    Mean Lean

    I am a season ticket holder and have been for many years.

    Thanks for reminding me of why I go.

    You are bang on the money
  • Coop  - Goober from Virginia
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    Must admit, one of the recent blogs I've read all the way through. Many feelings the same for me but- I'm not quite that old. Haha. Great stuff and good advice for the supporters in how to move on. But for real, I would stand up on this desk or other higher level surface and backflip if we signed Mata and Benzema!! The other Prem teams would quiver with the additional Cahill capture. Either way I'm happy for the new season!
  • Toni
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    been an arsenal fan for 11 yrs and i usually dont comment on blogs but this is brilliant. As said always no player is bigger than the ARSENAL!!! btw i wont mind barcelona giving us afellay+35 million in exchange for cesc fabregas..dutch player barca signed i jan..a full dutch international who is lounging on their bench!!
  • Stroller  - That's the attitude
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    Wha's it's all really about. Eleven men in red against eleven men in another colour on a football field. You support the ones in red. If the eleven men in red play better than the others and win the game then life's great, if they don't then you feel down until the next game and you go along to see them have another go. 90 minutes on the pitch, that's all. Everything else is about the trappings and accessories - who owns the most shares, what a player does and doesn't want, who should be signed and who should be sold etc, etc. It's those spells of 90 minutes (plus extra time) that matter.
  • joc  - reply
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    i have been just as pi##ed at the so called depressing signs and comments made about the ins and outs of "THE ARSENAL" and i have played my part..
    but i too had that same good feeling when seeing the pictures yesterday,
    it still may be a struggle nxt season but there will be alot more passion from the new breed, of that im certain!
    (would love nasri to stay tho) cut me i bleed red and white.
  • modusho
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    good article- no need to worry, we could buy messi today and he gets a cruciate in training and the cover gets a slipped disc or something so they cant play or we can go a run with the players that are still at the club and everyone says wenger is a magician- except the british press tho, dont know why they have such distaste for the man.
    Am a arsenal fan and would still be if/when fabregas, nasri stay or leave
    i would enjoy our wonderful football and hope when the curtain drops, i have some silverware to brag about.
  • Da Don
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    Thank you for this read...finally an article i bothered to comment on...u have amazing common sense and i say amazing because most arsenal fans lack it.they read the papers far too much and do not really look at our club for what it is.We are not in CRISIS at all but we do need trophies I accept that.
  • Grandier  - Hmmm, well done for the other perspective Mean...b
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    I can't quite be so benevolent. I have supported Arsenaleven longer than you by your reference to 1989 and all that and as with all footie fans it's the hope that kills you. Then, you think a bit longer and it's actually regret that gets you - in life and football.

    Last season was very much the season that gotto most gooners, why, because we were so close. Almost all of us could see we just needed a tweak here or there and at not much cost and we could have won something. But no, Mr Wenger knew better than to purchase a decent commanding and organising centre back, one who really wanted to come to Arsenal. I do realise there were one or 2 other things needed, such as a decent defensive midfielder and quality goalkeeper to bring along the really promising Szczesny.

    Most of us knew that a lot of the squad was not up to scratch but Wenger claimed it to be his strongest squad ever - ridiculous.

    Wenger's blinkers are starting to land us in the mucky stuff and an example of this combined with my frustration caused by regret is Samir Nasri. When we purchased him, we spent nearly £4million more than Villa on Ashley Young - now, I don't like Ashley's antics but he is a gooner and works a damned sight harder than Samir with the consequence of Young being able to put together a whole season of decent performances. On occasion, of course Nasri is better but it's not going to win you enough games to win something major. So now where are we...oh yes, Nasri wants to go to United and join Young! And Young wouldn't have gone to United if he'd landed up at Arsenal as his agent was begging.

    We can all come up with various other's overlooked (one of my painful ones is Shay Given) for substandard imports who can't hack it.

    The frustration is that we all know Wenger knew how to put together a fantastic squad, at not much expense - he can do it but his wish to not upset the development of generally substandard players (by not replacing them with experience) has lead to disaffection with some of the better ones.

    Personally, I have had enough of the Fabregas saga, if Samir wants to go - fine, and anyone who wants to pay £13 mill for Arshavin, £25 for Walcott, £10 - £13 for SuperNick, anything for Denilson, Almunia, Diaby can have them all. But the atmosphere that is left behind is going to unsettle those that remain and likely cost us getting into 4th place or above - then we will have to get used to your prophecy of mid table mediocrity and then regretfully, we won't keep Wiltshire, Ramsey and Van Persie.
  • Zama
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    Crisis? What crisis. We got Cesc Fabregas FFS..... for now :lol:

    I was actually wondering which of Wenger's signings have retired with us. And I can't seem to get any. I guess its just the way the game is nowadays. Its not about loyalty and that kind of emotional stuff and it works both ways. The club trades its players like a commodity and the players try and squeeze the club for the max they can get and if both benefit in the bargain so be it.

    Your analysis of Nasri is spot on. His inability or inconsistency in utilising space is something which is holding him back. Funny you should mention Mata in the same article becoz he is one player who is amazing at doing just that. I chanced upon the Villareal drubbing by Valencia last season on TV and I was impressed with him. He runs at defences, sidefoots it to the no. 9 and runs into the box. He would be an amazing signing for us if that were to go through. But given his price tag... I don't know.
  • Ad
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    superb article, loved it.Thanks a lot Mean Lean , it made my day!!!
  • Spectrum
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    Toni - "No player is bigger than the Arsenal". Agreed. So why then, is it so hard to apply that reasoning to the manager, also ? Maybe that's because you A.K.B.'s have declared him a protected species ?
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  • Concerned fan  - Have a little faith people!!!
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    Really is this what we have come to, criticising Wenger.Really, if this so called horrible coach was able to lead a team through a whole season unbeaten how can you not believe in the guy. He had faith in Fabregas, Wilshere,Walcot, Nasri the list goes on.Look at them now being wanted by all these great clubs.Now why can't we have faith in him.Let Fabregas go, yes we will miss him but personaly I am sick of him rubbing it into our faces about how great Barcelona is, um well, we know.Then there is Nasri that ungrateful twit. If any of these two had faith in Arsene Wenger they would not be leaving and being so public about how much they want to go, screw them. I believe that Wenger is a great coach who will lead us to victory. Us the fans do contribute you know if we are being negative the players morale will not be where it is supposed to be. Lastly appretiate what you have Van Persie's not going anywhere atleast be happy about that. HAVE A LITTLE FAITH!
  • nick gooner
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    I have supported Arsenal nearly 40 years and you are spot on. When I renewed my season ticket it was because it is Arsenal not because of cesc, or Nasri. I remember standing on the North Bank watching the planes during a 0 - 0 draw with Oldham on a cold tuseday night because it was more interesting than what wa son the pitch .Why was I there?? It's Arsenal. As long as the players respect and give their all for the shirt they have my support. Bring on the relegation dog fight - it could be fun and will sort out the wheat from the chaff. There will always be mercenaries - good luck to them but more importantly there will always be Arsenal.
  • MeanLean
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    Thank you all for the responses, even those who disagree. I really think that the reasoning for supporting our club has been totally lost. It is nice to remember from time to time.
  • Spectrum
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    Da Don - We don't need the papers to tell us what's wrong at Arsenal. The papers are largely reflecting what the fans, pundits, and even former and current Arsenal players themselves, are saying. ( Those with an open mind, that is. )
    Plugging your ears, closing your eyes, and humming loudly to yourself, won't make the reality go away. Remove the SOURCE of the discontent and anger, and we Arsenal ( not Arsene ) fans, can get back to how the club USED to be - proud and successful. Wouldn't that be something ? It's been so long I've forgotten what it was like. Our hopes and dreams as Arsenal supporters, are the SAME ( believe it or not ).
    Our methods for achieving them however, are very different.
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  • MeanLean
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    Hey Speccy! How are you doing this fine day?

    The sun has come out in London, I feel very contented. Are you looking forward to pre season? Cannot wait for it.
  • chris
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    You Said IT all!!!!
  • FunGunner
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    Top article, hit the nail on the head.

    This bit made me laugh:
    "Karim Benzema is back on his way to Arsenal once again for £27m or something. I'm not quite sure who I would prefer at Arsenal though, Benzema or Kevin Doyle? *scratches head for a moment* "
  • Spectrum
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    Oh
    -oh. Here's more home truths, er, I mean media spin and lies. http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/arsene-wengers-legacy-is- disappearing-fast/
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  • MeanLean
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    :D

    Why would someone thumbs down me on that? I was saying how nice a day it is as well as looking forward to pre season?

    What Arsenal fan wouldn't like that? hmmmmm
  • MeanLean
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    I hope you're not avoiding me Specs
  • emiratesstroller  - MY VISION
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    Having watched Arsenal for over 50 years I have seen the ups and downs
    of the club in that time.

    What occurred on February 29th and the following three months was nothing short of being scandalous. The team imploded and the morale
    within the club despite Wenger's protestations appears to be very low.

    We are now faced with prospect that three first team players will leave and
    a number of other players who I would be happy to see go are going to
    stay, because noone is willing to buy them or pay inflated wages.

    Personally I agree 100% with Scholes assessment of our team. We play
    pretty,over elaborate, but too often ineffective football. The manager's
    stubborness over last six years has resulted in our failure to address
    weaknesses in team.

    However, the real issue for me is that a club, which on paper is ranked
    the third richest football business is rated a 'selling club' and one who
    can be turned over in transfer market by others who on paper are poorer
    but are willing to invest in top players.

    The argument has been for a long time that we cannot compete with the
    big boys eg those like Man Utd,Barcelona or Real Madrid or those with
    'sugar daddies' like Chelsea and Man City.

    The question is why? Personally I don't accept the argument that the
    stadium is a major impediment to our activity in transfer market. We
    are not the only club to have invested in an expensive stadium. Bayern
    Munich who have a similar capitalization,turnover but lower profitability
    have also done so and they are not run by sugar daddies..

    Bayern are big spenders in transfer market. They have just bought Neuer
    a top goalkeeper for Euros 18 million and both Robben and Ribery cost
    over Euros 25 million. They compete in the market.

    Moreover they are not rolled over as easily as Arsenal appear to be by
    the so-called big boys. Clubs like Real and Barcelona would not react
    to them like they do to us, because they would be sent packing with a
    flee in their ear.

    Similarly I don't hear that players are dictating terms. If a player rocks the
    boat he is put in his place or is sold off on Bayern's terms.

    The difference at the two clubs appears to be expectation and ambition.
    The Board, Manager and some supporters have in my assessment become too complacent and set not a high enough threshold of expectation. That was another point that Scholes made. Ferguson would
    never have allowed Man Utd to be unsuccessful for 7 years nor would he
    make as Wenger does too often excuses for failure.
  • mr h
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    Great post...

    I've stayed away from the murk and the muck. It's all rubbish.

    All I want to say is the negativity surrounding the club needs to end. We the fans are ruining this majesty that is Arsenal. Yes the players shoulder the burden as does the manager and the board... But we the fans are the drivers.

    When we were so close we the fans stopped supporting and started demanding. The easiest way to get a players to perform with confidence is to support him, not to heckle him. I didn't study psychology but that much is pretty obvious.

    Get behind our team for all its flaws and perfections, don't get on their backs.

    VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT: it's pretty simple, VICTORY THROUGH UNITY. United we stand divided we get relegated and prove the filthy gutter press right.
  • Spectrum
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    Hi Mean Lean - Yes of course you would be. I bet if someone hit you over the head with a hammer ( in a vain attempt to knock some sense into you ? ), you'd no doubt ask them to do it again, and again and.....
    I and many others predicted last year that this season just gone would end up as it did. And I'll wager you that whether we sign any big name players or not, a similar result is destined to occur this one, too, unless change is made. Take a screen shot of this page as proof , if you like. Easiest money I'll ever make.
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  • MeanLean
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    Haha, Good one.

    Do you reckon Wilshere will score more goals this year? How do you think Ramsey will do after injury?

    What about Ryo? keep him (if we can) or loan him out again?

    What are you thoughts? Looking forward to hearing them
  • Spectrum
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    ( emiratesstroller ) - Now there's a man truly in touch with things ! Of course, your logic is lost on Mean Lean and his disciples. No clouds in their patch of sky.
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  • MeanLean
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    It is wonderful, sun beating down every day. I am out in my shorts and Arsenal shirt now. Fully enjoying the clear sky.

    I do not envy you having continuous rain every single day with cold winds blowing the rain in your face. It must be dark and miserable. I guess you are used to it now and you enjoy life like that.

    With all due respect, I am far happier in the sun thank you.
  • MeanLean
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    Hi Mr H, How are you doing today?
  • richie  - No time for mercenaries
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    Well said NG like you I remember standing on the northbank freezing my nuts off watching us play 'orrible football in the years before 1970. Why did I do it? Why didn't I support Manu'er with the likes of Best & Charlton? Arsenal was and is both my Mothers & Fathers club, it was my Grandfathers club (First man to take as a toddler) it was even my Great grandfathers club, I guess none of us had any choice, all being from (Highbury where I still live) Islington. Its in the blood.

    I might not like the fact that we ain't won anything for a while but for the most part I love watching the entertaining football we now play. I love the new stadium. And unlike the mercenaries who really want to support Chelski (they want a sugar daddy to buy them titles). I like the traditional direction that Mr Wenger has continued to take us in. You'll know we've always been a very conservative club thats never engaged in big money buys. Building and developing suits who we are and who we've always been. As you say the club is still there in a stronger position than its ever been. There will alway be Arsenal.
  • Greg  - Thanks for the blog.
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    I couldn't agree more. Some fans have let the joy slip through their fingers. They accuse more positive fans of being blind, and they automatically make the worst assumption in every scenario. Like the idea that Wenger couldn't see where the team needed strengthening last year. Complete bullshit. He saw it, but Squillaci didn't work out. You win some, you lose some.

    Some Arsenal fans never really liked Wenger from the start. They don't feel any love for the man, but they kept quiet while he was successful. Why don't they warm to him?

    1. He's French
    2. He's intelligent
    3. He's single-minded
    4. He likes to develop players instead of buying big names
    5. He doesn't buy overpriced players, therefore not many English ones.

    Now that we're not so successful, you see it all pouring out. It's not just criticism - if it was, I wouldn't have a problem. But we get kiddy fiddler comments - from gooners! - racist comments about French Africans, xenophobic comments about the French in general, this obsession about getting an English spine to the team, this caricature of Wenger as an elitist, academic type who can't see what every ordinary supporter can see. And it all snowballs until people are spouting nonsense, factually incorrect stuff, but they believe it because it fits with their stereotypes.

    There will always be a hard core of gooners who don't like Wenger because they are a bit xenophobic, anti-intellectual and nationalistic. In other words, your typical working-class Londoner. Luckily your typical working class Londoner is also sharp, funny, big-hearted and loyal.

    Londoners are flawed but fantastic, just like their city, and just like life. When life is going bad, they throw their arms around it and embrace it. It would be good to see some more of that spirit.
  • Jon  - Spot on
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    I've been watching Arsenal since 1977 and can remember some really crap moments - losing to Ipswich and West Ham in two FA Cup Finals, losing to Luton in the League Cup Final, watching us getting knocked out of cup competitions by Rotherham and Wrexham, and the miserable years during most of the 1980s when there was little hope of honours and even less decent football on display.

    AW has given us great football to watch in a magnificent stadium, more success than we have ever experienced, Champions League football year after year, and Henry, Vieira, Pires, Overmars, Petit, Campbell, Ljungberg, etc., etc. And right now we have Fabregas, Nasri, Vermaelen, RVP, Sagna and amazing young talent in Wilshere, Ramsey, Djourou, Walcott. I can't wait to see Miyaichi, Lansbury, Frimpong and Emmanuel-Thomas start to make their mark - keep an eye on all of them - there is some really amazing potential there.

    So yes, it's frustrating, and the speculations about players leaving drives me nuts. But all is not lost - in fact, I think this team might just spring a few surprises next season. With just two or three of the reinforcements that are being talked about - and Gervinho seems to me more or less done and dusted now - don't be surprised if we shove Paul Scholes's words from yesterday straight back down his throat.
  • A Gooner among others
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    Do you even know who are Bayern Munich ?
    They are one of the "big boys "!!! They are a massive club !!!

    And you fail to say that they did not qualify for the champion's league recently (I think in 2007-2008). They got over it because they have an incredible structure and they have developped their financial resources in an exceptional way.
    For a club like Arsenal, it would have been disastrous.

    As for your argument that our football is ineffective, it is ridiculous.
    We lose games when we don't play 'the Arsenal way" !!
    Is it so hard to understand ?

    And finally, can you explain to me what you mean by "Ferguson would
    never have allowed Man Utd..." ?
    Would he have said abracabra and things would have been good ?
  • brian  - Very Good Post
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    Of course you are spot on.
    A silly and totally un-neccessary defeat by Birmingham followed by mental fragilty towards the end of the season turned what should have been a totally acceptable season into a case of lighting the blue touch paper for those who can mainly only be comparitive recent Arsenal followers.The fact is that this was achieved despite having a barely interested Fabregas and Nasri performing well against teams like Fulham,Aston Villa(away)and a barely interested Braga but being invisible in so many games.
    Sell them both as far as I am concerned but try to replace them with not only talented players(a given obviously)but those with the right mental attitude to fight it out when necessary unlke Fabregas and Nasri and perhaps one or two others.
  • A Gooner among others
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    Why do you use the word "logic" ?

    emiratesstroller did not do any reasoning. He just stated things in a very affirmative way.
    That's how one convinces weak minds of something...
  • Chares  - Same old! same old!
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    For the past 6 yrs Arsenal has always been ruled out from top 4 finish by the so called "pundits" and still AW has managed to do the unthinkable with little or no resources. The tranfer window still has weeks to go and yet everyone is already panicking.
    Love him or hate him, how many managers in the EPL can do what AW has done for this club since he took charge more than 14yrs ago?
    All i keep hearing is that our best players are leaving. If they are so good how come they haven't helped Arsenal win trophies in 6yrs? As for Nasri, he wants £120k a week for half decent season, Please!!! Ramsey is better if not for injury. As for Cesc, if Barca value him that much let them cough up. He just signed 5 yrs contract the other day for Cesc sake. No one player is bigger than a club, player go, player come. 3 seasons ago no one could have predicted the kind of impact Wilshire is having, thats football for you. Players go, others step up. Viera - Cesc, Ashely Cole - Clichy and the list goes on.
  • Bala  - Trust in Arsene and Arsenal way of playing Footbal
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    Another outstanding post ML. For me watching Arsenal play itself gives ultimate happiness. I am not saying that I dont want Arsenal to win a trophy (No true Gooner would say that) but trophies are only a secondary thing for me. I started watching Arsenal from 2003-04 season, so I have seen Arsenal win a couple of trophies but I have also seen some free flowing football from Arsenal and that's what made me to love Arsenal (more than the trophies). Its just my opinion though. Some people I follow on Twitter where telling me that they just want a trophy and they don't care how Arsenal play to achieve it (some even wanted us to play like Stoke !) but I would never be satisfied with a trophy earned playing like that. I want Arsenal to win a trophy by playing the passing and free flowing that they play nowadays and I don't want them to sacrifice it just for a sake of a trophy. Now I am not saying that I will support Arsenal only if they play on like this, but I just dont want them to sacrifice this for anything. If Arsenal do go back to the pre Wenger era of playing then I will change myself (with some discomfort) to like that kind of play. I m a Gooner till my death and seeing this Arsenal in crisis headline day in day out is giving me so much pain. I trust in Arsene and I fully trust him to bring this Cesc/Nasri saga to an end in a way which will benefit Arsenal in one way or the other :twisted:
  • emiratesstroller
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    Gooner among others

    Of course Bayern are a massive club and so should we be.

    We are as I have pointed financially one of the strongest clubs in the business and yet we struggle to hold onto our best players.

    Nasri appears to be in the driving seat because he is now in the last year
    of his contract. Why have we once again allowed this to happen?

    Similarly why are Barcelona so confident that we will sell Fabregas to them and on their terms when we have 4 years on his contract? It is very simple if the decision has been taken to sell him for whatever reason you play hardball. You tell them that they have two weeks to match our valuation and more importantly on our terms otherwise the player stays
    or will be sold elsewhere.

    The issue is not what Barcelona or Fabregas wants, but what we want and more importantly the message we send out to the market.
  • richie  - Next post please give your address Disney world
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    You compare us to the most successful German team ever? One of the European elite? Bayern if anything are more successful than Taggarts boys. They are in the elite group of teams that have won the CL 3 times in a row. They don't have stadium debt, as a club they play in the stadium built by the German government that housed the 06 Fifa world cup final. Get your facts straight before you make idiotic comparisons!!!
  • Bala  - Mata and Benzema
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    About the Mata and Benzema rumour, Young Guns blog just said that Mata's buyout clause is applicable only for Spanish clubs so that could end our interest in him (unless Valencia change their mind or Mata force their hand) and regarding Benzema, I seriously cant see Arsene making that reported 27mill for him. Benzema himself said that he wants to stay at Madrid and Jose also said that, so I cant see that thing materializing too ( But I would love to see Benzema at Arsenal though)
  • Ads The Greek  - Very Well said!
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    I mjust admit after reading this article, and trust me i am on this website daily checking fellow Arsenal fans thoughts and views. This is truely written after taking a step back and looking at all the madness which is going on in the media.

    We as Arsenal as a whole Club & fans are being singled out and sucked into this media frenzy which i am not quite sure what their intentions are by continously bombarding Arsenal with negative comments. What ever happens happens, and trust me some stupid retarded Arsenal fans that write crap at teh end of each blog daily. Go "DO ONE" and support your local league team.

    Arsenal do not need negativity coming from its own fans, Keep the faith, because if you dont you cannot truely consider your self a "GOONER 4 LIFE"

    Thanks

    Ads - Gooner for life
  • Jack  - Real fans only please
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    Seconded! I'm bloody fed up with all the glory hunter hangers on winging on their blogs. Go buy a chelsea shirt and eff off.

    Mean lean, your best post I've read so far. It's sooo nice to hear from someone that remembers life before wenger. Forget about the two mid table years under Graham, even when we won things under him, all I remember is watching boring football in the rain.
  • Jack  - Duh!
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    Stupidest comment ever! No player bigger than the club, so why isn't wenger? Um, duh! He's not a player you muppet!

    That aside, no he's not bigger than the club. But he IS part of the club, he's part of the DNA, like chapman. Yes, he really is that important. He's our most successful manager, period.

    You don't like it, or the football we play then eff off
  • Jack  - Arsenal fans?
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    By arsenal fans, I guess you mean the pubesent twats that write 90% of the blogs. They DO NOT reflect the true feelings of arsenal fans in general.

    Yes we were all disappointed and annoyed by the way we ended last season. But wasn't it those players that completely failed to perform for the home straight that really let us down? And who was most culpable of this?... Nasri
  • GoonerRob
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    Superb piece, at last some realism.

    AFC will still be here after August the 31st and a bloomin long time after that.

    I guessed the players, why was Campbells number 7 so small and mis-shapen?!
  • A Gooner among others
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    "Why have we once again allowed this to happen?"

    How can you force a player to sign a new contract ?
    It seems we made an offer at the beginning of last season, it seemed he was going to sign and... he still hasn't signed. What can we do about it ? He is stupid, has a bad mentality and isn't reliable over a whole season. I would sell him to United in the blink of an eye.

    I agree with you on the Fabregas question. BUT the problem is that Fabregas isn't going to be motivated if he stays.
    Moreover, he seems to really have a problem with his harmstring.
    Hence our position :we sell but at the right price.
    But I agree: we should put an ultimatum in time.
  • TEKALIGN  - WE ARE SEEKING MEDALIA, ARSENALS FROM ETHIOPIA
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    ARSENAL WILL WIN 2012 PREMEAM LEAGUE BUT TO BE THE WINNER OF THE YEAR SF FABREGAS & NASSIRE SHOULD STAY WITH ARSENAL !
  • MeanLean
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    Great stuff Greg
  • Passenal
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    "But believe in Arsene Wenger or don't believe in him, that is your prerogative. The question is, what are you going to do in the meantime? worry? complain? mock others for supporting the club they love?

    What exactly does that achieve? How does it help? When you go to a restaurant and you don't enjoy the food, do you go around to other tables and pour mud in other people's dinner and mock them for enjoying the taste of their food? I do not understand what the gain is from trying to destroy other fans enjoyment"

    Spot on ML
  • irish gooner
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    SPECTRUM IS A MUPPET
  • Jason
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    Overall I thought your article expressed what being a "true fan" is all about. Funny how one person can write something (negative) and before you know it the whole world believes it's true. The press push for Arsenal to sign certain players and again before you know it, everyone is saying they need them. Thanks for the ut refreshing article, and for reminding me it's not the name on the back of the jersey we root for but the one in front.

    Cheers Mate!
  • jack  - Arsenal Fans
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    "I am not saying that I dont want Arsenal to win a trophy (No true Gooner would say that) but trophies are only a secondary thing for me"

    :) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .

    This is the kind of so called Arsenal fans this site attracts Mean Lean.

    what a sad sad bunch of losers you all are. Pathetic
  • MeanLean
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    I guess supporting the club for being the club is a rather strange concept for you isn't it?
  • jack
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    Pompous twat
  • jack  - spot on
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    !00% correct. expect plenty of derision from these Arsene muppets.
  • jack
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    :lol: :lol: . What a strange remark...
  • MeanLean
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    What are you looking forward to next season?
  • jack
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    gone you get your head out of Arsenes arse. :shock: :shock: :lol: :P :oops:
  • jack
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    Usmanov.
  • richie  - Jack with a capital J
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    Well said well remembered!
  • richie  - well said Dave
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    Yeah its a shame our blogs keep being invaded, by the AYTID.
  • richie
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    Yet another AYTID comment they never do they these germs!
  • richie  - AYTID?
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    AYTID?
  • richie
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    Proper!
  • richie  - More from another species of AYTID
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    AYTID
  • richie
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    AYTID? You've got to be
  • richie  - Now we know YATID
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    AYT AYT AYTID?
  • richie  - Now we all know you are TID
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    TID
  • richie  - Why bother with TID
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    TID
  • richie  - TID
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    You can infiltrate but you can't disguise who you really are
  • richie
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    TID
  • richie  - get reposte
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    Thats the thing that the like of AYTID spectrum fail to understand,easily as important as chapman for the massive changes he's brought to the club.
  • richie  - Misprint/Type
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    do =*die*
  • dkgooner  - Motta, Mata
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    What about Meta, Mitta and Mutta?
    And how much have we offered for them?
    Answers on the back of a postage stamp to Le Grove who will no doubt jump at the chance to pass on the information to a breathlessly expectant readership.
  • dkgooner  - New players
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    Motta won't sign, but does it Mata?
    (With apologies)
  • jack  - Embarassment.
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    Mean lean.

    you must be cringing with Embarassment reading the comments of that clown Richie. :lol: :lol: :lol:
  • richie  - The spectrum of jack
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    Maybe I have embarrassed ML, but I'm just so fed reading the shit that the likes of you dish out against our club. I've got no objections to anyone who wants to engage in a proper debate, but for me there is only one response to your childish antic's. When you and your mate spectrum diss the most successful manager our club has ever known with your silly little ditty "in Arsene we rust". I feel compelled to question who you are? Hence every time I see you or your mates pathetic ditty I'll give you mine AYTID?

    I question if you really are a Gooner or a Tiny Tott infiltrator? Because even George the Judas is deserving of respect for his time as our manager, and when he was still our manager (before he embarrassed himself) I didn't have a word to say against him. If and when on the rare occastions people spoke out against him because we were midtable (and he certainly caused comment ) when he made some strange moves in the transfer market.

    I respectfully reminded everyone that we owed him for what he'd done for us. Back then I suggest we had a more loyal group of supporters who like me had spent years supporting a team who didn't win year in year out (Nothing for a whole decade) and didn't play entertaining football either. I don't need silver wear as a reason to continue supporting my club. I support regardless.

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