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Written by Squid Boy on Thursday, 18 August 2011 17:07

I wasn’t going to blog today. I thought I’d wait until tomorrow – that way I could get the latest injury news ahead of the Liverpool game from Arsenal’s press conference and speak about any developments in Nasri’s potential transfer to Man City.

On the subject of the latter, as I type this news has broken from respected London Evening Standard journalist James Olley that Nasri is in Manchester today (presumably having a medical) and insinuating a fee has been agreed between the clubs but the structure of the payment has not. With a figure of between £20m and £25m being bandied about, I’m glad we are biting City’s hand off for a player who is in his last year of contract, may walk for zero next summer, has only exhibited half-a-season of good form, and who is clearly disaffected by the fan reaction to his summer contract signing stagnation.

So I hadn’t intended to blog today. But then I read then I read the following tweet from the omnipresent Tim Stillman, and it got me thinking:

“I have to genuinely ask if Arsenal fans would be clamouring for us to sign Cahill/ Samba if they hadn't been so frequently linked in media?”

The man is of course correct. The same could be said about numerous “supposed” transfer targets this summer – from Phil Jones to Juan Mata.

I remember the hoo-hah surrounding Phil Jones when it broke that we had missed out on him. The abuse Arsene got was terrible – and I’d venture to say that this was from folk who had hardly seen Jones play. Then it appeared we had been mighty unlucky not to secure his services, having matched Man Utd’s offer for him and apparently offered a higher wage. In his case, the lad simply wanted to stay in the north-west of the country, and there was little we could do about that. The reason we didn’t sign him wasn’t for lack of trying, and Arsene got cut a lot more slack from his detractors.

A similar scenario may indeed be playing out with Juan Mata, with Chelsea apparently ready to pounce. If we miss out on him and he ends up in West London, I envisage all hell to break loose on the Interweb and at the Emirates.

This was nearly the case with Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain too. As it seemed Arsenal were stalling and other clubs started to sniff around, there was downright anger from fans – not particularly because we need another young attacking midfielder, but because we’d miss out on our target.

Of course this all comes with the assumption that we trust the various sources which break transfer rumours. While there is no doubt that some journalists prey on our insecurities and link us with a player that fits the mould (“hard nut central-defender with Premiership experience”), sometimes you have to admit there is no smoke without fire. I am loathe to believe newspaper rumours, but when respected sources close to the Club break them on Twitter, I do take them more seriously.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that some fans aren’t frustrated with the name of the player we are or aren’t signing. It is when we identify an area that needs strengthening but don’t seal the deal. This is a scenario which has happened for a good few years now (again – if you believe what you read). I’ll give you two such examples.

Firstly there was Xabi Alonso in 2008, with many saying he came mighty close to signing. We missed out on him and had to contend with a central-midfield of Song and Denilson for the majority of the season. It did well in the sense that it helped contribute to a long unbeaten stretch that helped us overcome Aston Villa for fourth spot, but it certainly lacked in creativity, as witnessed by a run of four consecutive 0-0 draws in the league across January and February. I think it is fair to say that the signing of Andrey Arshavin sparked us into life that spring.

Then there was the curious case of Mark Schwarzer last season. He had umpteen medicals with us if we believe what we read, but the clubs just couldn’t agree a fee. In this case it worked out extremely well as we now have a rejuvenated Fabianski backing up the ever-impressive Wojciech Szczesny. Had we signed Schwarzer then who knows, Szczesny might be a Man Utd player right now.

So there is evidence on both sides of the equation that missing out on targets can have a happy or sad ending. Furthermore, it is fair to say we may not have been flush with cash in either of those instances. That’s not the case now.

I accept wholeheartedly that we’ve had the Cesc and Nasri issues hanging over us this summer, not to mention needing to secure Champions League qualification. And while we could have dealt with the outgoings of the aforementioned two gentleman earlier to swell the coffers, there’s nothing we could have done about the CL tie – which we arguably need to win to be able to attract our targets. So next week’s second leg is utterly vital.

I’m not going to lie. I don’t watch much football except for Arsenal matches. I am not well-placed to judge whether Samba, Cahill or Jagielka would be better for us. But with Arsene having identified at the beginning of the summer that we need strengthening in that area, and with pretty decent evidence that there has been interest in all three of them, I will be disappointed if we don’t get one of them. Why? Because we will not be addressing a weak spot in our squad. And that, to me, would be minimalism. Heck, I’d almost rather Arsene had said he believed in our current quartet and stuck with them as opposed to admitting a weakness but failing to remedy it.

In addition, once Nasri follows Cesc out of the exit door, I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get a replacement or two – be it Jadson or Mata or whoever. Again, I have seen neither play and so yes I am partly being strung along by the media here – but equally, there is no doubt we will need replacement(s), as Arsene himself said, if both end up goners.

To conclude, personally I wouldn’t have Samba, Cahill or Jagielka ahead of our current first-choice pairing of Vermaelen and Koscielny. I certainly wouldn’t mind them in reserve though – not because I don’t rate Squillaci, but because Arsene himself believes that we need more depth and quality there.

We have made this mistake in the past to mixed results. Sometimes it pays off and a younger tyro comes through our ranks. But sometimes it doesn’t. And it hurts us.

In the past we may have been hamstrung financially, but that should not be the case this summer at all. I guess all we want the Club to exhaust every avenue in our quest for success – no more scraping by, no more hoping that injuries will not hit us too bad, no expecting youngsters to make the step-up flawlessly like Jack and Cesc did. We have the money this summer. And we have obvious gaps in our squad that have been identified by the powers that be. Let’s leave no stone unturned.

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Comments (84)

  • Stupid deluxe
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    Good post, only thing i'd add is that in my opinion we have already replaced Na$ri with one of Gerv, Ryo or AOC which means there's the other two to offer something else in the midfield in the way of a Cesc replacement (i don't believe there is an exact replacement for cesc by the way). So, we are really in the market for someone in defence, either a leftback/centreback or one of each and a forward different from the 2 we have.
  • Arse&Nose©
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    Excellent article squid boy ! seems like ages ago that we bid for jones
  • Greg  - I partially agree with Stillman
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    But you have a point too - many people say "any centre-back", not just "Cahill or Samba". The names have become a shorthand for the position.

    But I do think that too many Gooners think about players the same way they think about iphones - as something new and exciting to own, and you have to have the latest / most expensive. It's called status anxienty, and it's a trap.

    Vermaelen and Kos are potentially a world-class first-choice pair. Let's not forget that.

    Jones would have been great as a versatile back-up across the back four and DM, I would prefer a signing like that rather than an out-and-out CB. That's why I think if push come to shove we'll go for Jags. We'll see.
  • Gordon
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    Samba Jagielka and Cahill are old style no nonsense brick shit house defenders.Row Z defenders not afraid to put their head where it hurts.Koscielny and Sqillaci are not.You actually wrote "not that i dont rate Squillaci" have you not seen the pile of shit play for us?He is from the Stephanovs school of defending
  • Mike Perry  - Judgement
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    Cannot understand your point about Shwartzer. Apparently the deal fell through on a tiny sum of money, so whether the club was flush with cash or not was irrelevant in this case. Secondly if you rate Squillachi, you really need to watch more football or study the statistics a bit . A disasterous buy, bought on the cheap at the last minute. Who did he follow into the team ? Silvestre - I rest my case !
  • Alex
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    Good article. Very well argued and honest in its approach. We do need depth in our side and while there is Bartley on loan and Miquel in reserve, one more CB or good LB will help the squad. As will a good central midfielder to partially replace Cesc and another experienced good forward especially if Joel Campbell does not get a work permit.
  • JazzTehara  - I agree
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    I agree pretty much wholeheartedly with this article.

    We've identified the areas that need bolstering (CB, LB, CAMR, ST)

    So many fans are requesting (to put it nicely) that we purchase a Cahill or a Samba or whomever... I'm not convinced.

    CB - Samba has buried the ball in his own net enough times... I know because i've chuckled my ass off watching MOTD on more than one occasion. He's so clumsy. In his favour, he is quite dominant and also a leader. He does organise his team well for the set pieces but I wouldn't go for him personally.

    Cahill is good. But for 17m? Nah. Is he fast enough to play with our high line? I don't know - maybe a few aerobic sessions will help him.

    In terms of Jones, he made the best choice for his Career. his partnership with Smalling will see the both of them join the England set up in the future as a CB pairing from the same club. They're getting the best tutelage they can from Sicknote (Rio).

    If you want someone that is in Arsene's mould of a decent CB, look no further than Per Mertersacker - I know he had a bad season last year, but everyone can have one bad year (look at Rooney from May last year to around February this year - he was a mess.)
    Mertersacker can score from corners, he defends set pieces well, he's a totally dominant force and he would be a decent partner to Vermaelen or a good anchor for Kosielney. He's also a Germany International (can anyone say Franz Beckenbaur?) And at £6-10m, well worth a punt.

    LB/LWB - sorry, but no one else other than Leighton Baines. I don't need to say anything or justify him, but in case you don't know - Work ethic is amazing, he scores from set pieces, his positioning is great, he's a solid wing-back/defender AND he's an International - pay £17m for THIS guy and he will be the "white Roberto Carlos," in a few years.

    CAMR - is a bit more tricky for me, I was genuinely scratching my head for this one. Word on the Twitterverse is one of Mata/Valubuena/J.Cole (WTF?) - Mata would be a good statement of intent - but expensive. IF wenger were to go for this guy, he'd be a marquee signing and we would expect him to do as well as or eclipse Fabregas - and those are big boots to fill - the question is, is he going to step up for that challenge, or will he be a Veron?

    Personally, I'd go for Yohann Gourcuff. Half the price and pretty effective. The expectation would be less and he's coming into his prime now - we wouldn't have to wait another 3/4 years just to see Mata sod back off to Spain as soon as Real/Barca came knocking.

    ST - Hmmm... Promote Theo. He's begging for a chance to show his worth. He did it on Tuesday plenty of times. Sitting in the Clock End, watching him run in from the right to the centre, beat defenders with pace... My God he reminds me of someone.... That guy... What's his name... Oh yeah! The greatest striker we've had the pleasure of seeing in Red and White... Thierry Henry.

    Rotate him and RvP, OR....

    And this is where I may get a bit crazy with the tactics... (But those dutch are always crrrraaaaiishhhy too mayne...) Play RvP in the CAMR position, so he does what Fabregas did. Push up from the CAMR role into a SS role (False 9, or whatever you prefer to call it.) and have him support Theo like the other dutch guy did... what's his name...



    God! (Dennis Bergkamp).


    That's just my 2 cents.
  • TC
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    You say you don't have a problem with Squillaci? Then that means you don't watch football. Period.
    Squillaci is e worst central defender at Arsenal since Gus Caeser. Even Stepanovs was better and that is saying something. Wenger needs sacking NOW. Arsenal will finish 6th or lower this season all thanks to our useless, negligent, incompetent manager.
  • Jimmy Adams  - Bush Meet
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    One great positive is that a lot of our fans have now got to grips with a hell of a lot of things that are going on. This article is so interesting, I had never thought of things that way.
    Also, certain people have questioned the referees to the degree that they will be under more scrutiny. I don't mean we can''t allow mistakes but I mean we really deserve something close to a level playing field.
    Furthermore, now that Wenger is really under the spotlight from outside the club more than ever, a lot of fans have begun to finally realise that he is one hell of a manager. How many of Harry Redknapp, Gerard Houlier, Rafa Benitez, David Moyes, Alan Pardew, Owen Coyle, Sparky, Steve Bruce ahev ever won a title in the UK? None. So there you go. Most of them have splashed a hell of a lot more cash in trying. We did it 3 times under Wenger and the only major difference since the titles was the Stadium and training facilities. They have a lot to answer for.
    I am fully expecting sufficient cover and don't really mind a difficult patch either. Ferguson most seasons has a pretty dire start then engineers a massive crisis as a kind of epiphany, after which the team just seams to go on long runs without defeat. The joy here is that the crisis is not totally of Wenger's making. But once we get over these obstacles, even if it takes a few games, we can expect a fresh start with new purpose. Most of the players we have now will be playing with a huge love for Arsenal in their hearts. You only have to look at what AOC, Gervinho and Jenkinson were saying when they arrived.
    We are going to go from strength to strength even if we have a little dip to start. I can't remember the number of times everyone has written United off under similar pressure.
  • shekssss  - vertonghen
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    go for vertoghen, cb, dm and lb, arsene must love that.... and i believe nasri was replaced wit one of the three as squid deluxe mntiioned.... but cesc can never be fully replaced imo
  • isd
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    tc you can not have forgotten Pascal Cygan the worst player by far in an Arsenal shirt
  • real gunner  - snm
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    if u think that fabianski and that wolf geezer are good u are clearly deluded and as 4 the comment claiming kos is world class you must only watch match of the day or sumthink we need 2 cd 4 back up 2 world class midfeilders a striker and a lb or we will be comiing 5th dont say i didnt tell you and p.s arse wenger out he keeps saying i will spend if we find the right player that is better than wat we have got ummm benzema tevez sneider mata ribery klose hazard modric neymar robben cahill samba per metesker baines pepe
  • SquidBoy
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    Thanks mate. Looks like the search for a LB has just picked up speed with Traore potentially off to QPR on loan!
  • SquidBoy
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    Cheers mate! It sure was a long old while ago...shame we couldn't get him, all our angst in the CB market would've dissolved way back then.
  • SquidBoy
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    I don't rate Squillaci. I meant that my primary reason for wanting a CB was because Arsene had declared we needed one, as opposed to my own subjective judgement on Squillaci.
  • SquidBoy
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    I don't rate Squillaci. I meant that my primary reason for wanting a CB was because Arsene had declared we needed one, as opposed to my own subjective judgement on Squillaci.

    Believe me, I've seen him enough times and know his stats (esp alongside Koscielny) to know that I get the shits when he plays.
  • SquidBoy
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    I don't rate Squillaci. I meant that my primary reason for wanting a CB was because Arsene had declared we needed one, as opposed to my own subjective judgement on Squillaci.

    Plus I'd hold fire on blaming Arsene for all and sundry just yet. If we finish the transfer window in a similar situation to now (or worse), then by all means barrack him for a lack of signings.
  • SquidBoy
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    Thanks mate.

    Not too sure on the Joe Cole link anymore, haha.

    I do like the idea of RvP behind Theo, but that would mean our central-defence and central-midfield had to be strong. Certainly wouldn't mind trying it at home if Jack and Song were playing.

    Tbh, all I really want is flexibility of formation. At least this season we've seen our wingers swapping flanks. It's a start.
  • SquidBoy
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    Cheers mate.
  • SquidBoy
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    Not sure who the "Wolf Geezer" is. Care to enlighten me?

    Wanna point out to me where I said Koscielny was world-class already?

    Furthermore, I don't watch Match of the Day at all. I have a season ticket.

    Would love to hear back from you, Real Gunner.
  • tapera  - samba jags or gary
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    Gud article mate we definitely nid un of thoz n a left back aly cisokho/baines/marcel or even a versatile player like vertogen of ajax any1 of thez wil do a gret deal for us. Then 4 DM l m'vila or nzonzi n a goetze or ahzard or kagawa then a doyle I'm sure we wil be up there
  • thundertinygooner  - Signings
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    Your post wildly underestimates the problems we have if we don't sign at least four good quality players when Nasri goes.Firstly I do watch a lot of football and all three of the players that you mention -and Scott Dann would be a vast improvement on Squillaci.Today we hear Traore is going on loan to QPR when Gibbs is injured and Clichy has left.So we may need two centre halves if Vermaelen has to move to left back.Secondly you assume Fabianski is rejuvenated-how?He hasn't played for half a season and was at fault in Benfica.I'm far from convinced he's good enough.We fanny around debating with selling clubs over tiny amounts in the context of our overall budget.If(as I expect) our injury ravaged side go out of the Champions League how much will we rue the procrastination over Mata,Cahill etc? Xabi Alonso could have come to us but Wenger wanted not to "kill" Denilson.He was profoundly wrong.He is profoundly wrong to leave us so exposed at a crucial time of the season cos he wants to save a few bob.He is profoundly wrong not to prioritise experienced players over promising prospects and if he doesn't sign a good left back-Sissokho?, Parker,Cahill and Dann (cost just over what we got for Cesc) we are in deep trouble.Forget Champions League the squad we currently have is the poorest and thinnest we have had for many,many years.
  • s j little  - better than we have!
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    So there is no one better than Diaby Chamach Rosicky Squallaci Gibbs Roscienly and we can rely on V Persie and other weak players staying fit? Fabrianski a reliable substitute? Arshaven lazy and wasted as winger. Walcott deadloss woinger might be good striker. V Persie too elaboraite for striker. Mr Wenger has noplan B and now without Fabrigas this forward line will never score goals. The way Arsenal play has become a bore repetitive stuff with noLeader No cgharacherNo exciting player And we pay an extra 6%
  • Zain Cannon  - Sign anyone FFS!
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    Great post squid, but im worried.

    At this rate we'll need a whole team let alone a bloody LB! :D
  • harry  - quality post
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    nice one, very pragmatic and realistic. No knee jerking. The poignantine ax you put it....... Wenger identified the weak spot, so needs to address it.....
  • Anonymous  - Can't agree Mertasaker is slow
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    Can't agree! That Mertasaker is the type of defender that would suit Arsene. Thiago da Silva is the CB that I believe would suit AW's type of play best.
  • Barry  - Sign sum1 as long as they're good!
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    There's a list of 8 or 9 CBs that we could probably sign who would be good. The 3 mentioned in the article above are all good capable CB, however only cahill seems like a qualiy buy and even at that he's slow. I would luv it if we signed sum1 like sebastian coates, he's 6ft5, he's only 20, he's a fast, classy CB and he's just won best young player at copa america. He's probably the best young cb on the market at the moment. He plays for National who are pretty much nobodys on the world stage. If we could get him for 15-20m it would be unreal, but we'll probably sign an unknown guy from france.
  • Anonymous
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    One thing I agree with is playing Theo in the center, we've lacked pace and Theo has plenty of it! Plus RvP plays 2nd striker for Holland, he links mid to attack really well which would somewhat mitigate us not having a playmaker! Nasri has already been replaced with Gervinho. What we need is a playmaker! And another defender, because 4 defenders is a minimum and (Panic buy) Squillaci has proved (over a season) not to be up to the task.
  • JazzTehara  - Like I said, he had a bad year.
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    Hmmm... Well, there has to be an element of realism as to who we can get - Just because we have money doesn't mean we CAN get just anybody.

    Thiago Silva would be excellent, but would Milan be willing to sell him for a price that's not over-inflated?

    Mertersacker is pretty boss though imho. His positioning is good. He had a bad year as I said before, but he looked impressive in the WC and He's 26... he's had experience...
  • Nkusuny
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    @real gunners i think ur judgement on kosielny & our both keepers is unfair. Kosielny and szseznzy are both world class players.
  • Dave
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    Stephanovs Cygan Senderos Silvestre now Squillaci what makes you think Wenger knows a good CB?.Samba Jagielka and Cahill are miles better than Koscielny.Buy Baines as well best all round LB in country.But we will end up signing some French rubbish for a couple of million on deadline day.Typical Wenger
  • Dave
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    Koscielny world class.Ha Ha Ha. :D
  • oranje_sky
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    I like your wait and see approach before jumping in and judging Arsene but I'm surprised how badly people want a CB. I'm a little more worried about our lack of coverage for Song and even our forward situation makes me nervous esp if Nick goes on loan.

    I disagree with the sign anyone motto. That's how we end up with players like Squillaci and Silvestre. Although Silvestre did come with plenty of premier league experience and wasn't a kid. I'm willing to trust in Arsene till the the window closes. We owe him that much at least.
  • oranje_sky
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    Why are they all miles better than Kos? His defending has been good and his partnership with Verma has been very solid. Koscienly hasn't done anything worthy of benching him..Would players like Cahill and Jagielka be happy with not starting?
  • Neil  - Something to say about transfers
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    Son, like the post. A player is the real architect of transfers. At the end of the day (or a couple of seasons - Cesc) it's in the players hands where he wants to be. Nasri wants to go to City. Chamberlain wanted to come to arsenal. If players don't want to move to Arsenal, or want to leave we can't blame Arsene or the magnitude of transfer fees.

    I Agree that Vermaelen & Koscielny would be our No1 pairing at the back, but Djourou & Squillacci really worry me. One is permanently on roller skates and the other is too slow. But paying £17m for a back up defender is crazy. Many arsenal fans have gone crazy. I'm glad you are talking sense in your post (as I know you would anyway).
  • Osi  - Openminded
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    Great writing. Good analysis and open mindedness. It's great to see someone's noticing some those who were linked with Arsenal weren't exactly what we needed quality wise. For me, I was glad we missed on the Fulham goalkeeper, Smalling, Joness and Joe Cole for instance. They were not better than what we had, I thought, and that was proved right as we have now a world class goalkeeper, and Smalling wasn't as great as some suggested. He struggled last season while playing more established back four unlike Arsenal.

    some fans just got angry when we, reportedly, miss out on a player were linked by the media and that's their right, however, not all those linked with us are rated by Wenger. And as we all know Wenger is the one who decide who has better quality than we got. Just because we were/are weak in defense doesn't mean we should get anyone linked with us by the media. Over the years, I witnessed some pretty average players linked with us, and some big money was quoted. Now, many of these players are just not good enough for smaller teams.
  • Nate from SA
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    Nyc pic and very gud article keep up the gud work.And i agree whoever said that this is the weakest team in a lng tym i watch the cl game and gosh it was more like a suspence drama wher is the footy arsenal is known for?
  • john  - is this actually true
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    I just read this in another Arsenal blog. what do you think?



    1. Since the PL started in 1992, we have invested less in
    transfers than every other team in the PL. We are literally 20 out of all 20 teams in net transfer spend.

    2. In 2006 we moved into our new stadium to compete with UTD & Madrid etc, and were promised it would mean a step change in squad investment. Since then we have spent less than all 91 other teams in the football league. We have been outspent by the likes of Colchester, Macclesfield, Walsall.

    To put this into perspective, since 2006:

    - Wigan have spent £72m more than us in transfers

    - Norwich have spent £74m more than us

    - QPR have spent £93m more than us

    - Bolton have spent £104m more than us

    - Hull have spent £95m more than us

    - Blackpool have spent £76m more than us

    How can we EVER hope to compete when we spend less than every professional football team in the country?

    No-one wants us to spend £300m in 3 years like City.

    Man Utd have spent £58m in the last 5 years. That’s £11.6m per year on average. That is sustainable.

    Making on average £10m profit isn’t sustainable, it’s money hoarding.

    The stadium is getting empty, why do you think that’s happening? The lack of investment is killing the club, and it seems no-one has any desire to spend money, or force the manager to spend money.

    Even Tim Payton said just a few days ago, £100m cant score a winning goal or keep a clean sheet, or bring success. The players £100m can purchase absolutely can.

    If we don’t start to act like a big club we will become exactly what we are acting like – a small club trying to eek out profits.

    Then when we find ourselves with 40,000 fans in 3 years, and 8th in the PL, the board and manager will blame the recession, which is nonsense. The club is strategically destroying any chance of success we might have by putting profits first.

    Compelling stuff eh?
  • SquidBoy
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    Thanks Zain, me old mucker.

    We're all worried. Nothing we can do except go through against Udinese, don't collapse against Liverpool/ManU and hope AW does the bizzo of the pitch. I think he will.
  • SquidBoy
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    Cheers mate. That's the essence of it - if AW said we're weak, the onus is on him and the Board to sort it out.
  • SquidBoy
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    Thanks for the reply -m/

    Very worried about our lack of cover for Songinho. I like Frimpong and even Coquelin, but there's no guarantee they can step up. They may have the talent, but not everyone has Jack's mentality and fearlessness.

    We do owe Arsene that much, no doubting it.
  • SquidBoy
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    Haha cheers son.

    Yep, that was exactly the case with Phil Jones. If he doesn't wanna come, so be it. At least we can say we tried our hardest to get him. Wanna see that effort replicated with one of the other CBs.

    Nandos after the match on Saturday?
  • SquidBoy
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    Thanks mate.

    Definitely glad to miss out on Schwarzer.

    Yep some fans do tend to throw their toys out of the pram these days. If we miss out on Jadson, watch how people go crazy, even though they haven't seen him play.
  • Guythegooner  - Is this actually true
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    Absolute rubbish. Man u have spent more than 58 mil in the last 5 years. There is no way that the likes of Colchester have spent more than Arsenal since 2006.

    I think Wenger is losing it the player we need and the one that will at least make arsenal fans have a bit more faith is Gary Cahill without a doubt.
  • john  - Tend to agree.
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    Thought that myself to be honest.
  • SquidBoy
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    That can't be right.
  • Andy Mack
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    And I guess all the other teams moved into a mega stadium as well :lol:

    It's not about profits, it's about not having debt.
    When the debt has gone then it MAY become 'being about profits.
  • Andy Mack
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    As I understood it, Liverpoo stopped any deal for Alonso as they couldn't get the guy they wanted to replace him.
  • MeanLean
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    I am a little late to the party but nice balanced article SB.

    Quick response to Andy Mack, I think you are spot on. They wanted Gareth Barry and he was supposed to sign for them but for some reason Villa declined, so Alonso was no longer available. Then he had a fantastic season for Liverpool and the rest is history.

    I also agree with SB that the partnership of Koscielny and Vermaelen should be our first choice. I think they will continue to grow together and improve massively.

    The club have worked wonders in the transfer window and our figures speak for themselves compared to all the other teams in the league, maybe even in Europe.

    However this season is not a normal pre season. We are facing as massive transitional period and we have to make sure we bring in the quality to bridge the squad from now until our youngsters are ready to establish themselves.

    I am sure we will do that but did anyone else ready Liam Brady's comments on RTE after the Newcastle game about how the board have put the brakes on some of Wenger's targets because of price and wages.

    This is the one summer that we must get what we need or there will be too much pressure on the youngsters as well as the manager.
  • MeanLean
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    Mertersacker would not be able to play in our high line. He would get slaughtered
  • MeanLean
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    Aword of advice. Try reading the post and comments before posting.

    Squid Boy has had to copy and paste several times because some people are jumping the gun without actually reading
  • MeanLean
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    Great comment! Well said
  • MeanLean
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    "Xabi Alonso could have come to us but Wenger wanted not to "kill" Denilson"

    What complete and utter tripe. More made up rubbish that passes as the truth.
  • double dapper  - Top post
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    Squids - Great points about the media/arsene/transer fees and short sighted gooners (I admit I can get drawn in too at times).

    Maybe Hanson/Merson etc... are all right knowing that we need to pay excessive prices for english players with prem experience, you never know we may win the league with a 'get it up em' english centre back. But there are many prem league teams that have these types of players that have never won the Prem title and even spent more cash then us in the last decade.

    Why we are often linked to more transfer stories then any other clubs on sky sports etc... really baffles me as the media are always reminding us that wenger doesn't spend money???

    Why do Arsenal 'fans' want someone because they cost 20 mil+ but are not excited about quality 10ish million signings?

    I agree with the masses that I would be happy for Arsene to 'spend some f-ing money', how he does it; I have faith that he knows our squad and style of play better then anyone and am looking forward to seeing who he wants to bring in.

    Why I think he will get it right over the media:

    Henry = 11ish
    Verms = 10 mil
    Paddy = 5 mil
    RVP = A pair of clogs and a windmill
    Cesc = 2 match balls and a cherizo

    The list of bargins/legends goes on
  • richie
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    What a nonsense we had more chance of winning the Europa Cup without being in the competition than signing Xavi Alonso! It was rumoured Real was interested way back when. For any Spanish Footballer there are only 2 clubs in the world that you'd crawl over broken glass to join Real & Barca. For any Catalan Barca would come 1st , Alonso is a Spaniard so Real would normally be his number one.
    In actual fact most footballers in the world would choose either of the above clubs over all others.

    The not wanting to kill Denilsons progress was paper talk
  • richie  - Nice one Bazza
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    Never seen Seb Coates before and now I've only seen what youtube has to offer, which doesn't tell us much, however he certainly has potential (normally a must for an Arsene buy) he's young (another plus point) he's talented and he has the height. From the video's he looks technically very good. My only concern is you say we could land him for 15-20m? Are you talking $$$? Because otherwise if your talking £££ or even €€€? For a total unknown thats an exceptionally high price.
  • richie  - Dave are you serious?
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    "What makes you think Wenger knows a good CB"? Errr a little matter of 49 games? A whole season undefeated? Arsene signing the CB's Campbell and Toure plus Lauren, Cole and Jens Lehman. The best defence the prem has ever seen.
  • rahul  - nice
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    great article. its just so refreshing to read well thought articles.
  • richie  - Not Compelling at all just more crap
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    If the stats were correct then the fact we are still top 4 would be simply amazing!
  • richie  - Listening to inside info or rumour
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    Unfortunately yet again some of our own won't listen to Liam Brady (A true insider) yet they will listen to the journalists and pundits. ML our own tire me out!
  • richie  - Mertersacker defending in slow mo
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    Thanks for articulating that point I just said he's too slow :lol:
  • joe blow me
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    jew jew!
  • richie  - Something to smile about
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    Nice one DD your list of bargins made me smile :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
    I'm sure Cesc = 2 chorizo bocadillo's (2 sausage rolls) and a match ball.
    And wasn't RvP = A pair of yellow clogs and a years supply of gouda cheese?
  • Mohammed Ali  - Profits and stability
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    It may....

    Moreover we will have a stadium and be a global footballing power. Other big clubs will die.

    Trust in Wenger is my mantra. He is literally buying us a billion-pound stadium and club with his shrewdness.
  • indian gunner forever  - Good one Squid boy....& ML u too
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    First of all I completely agree with Squid boy that we need to leave no stone unturned to try and achieve success this season...

    Last season I thought we peaked a season too early and even at the start of last season I had thought that this season would be the one where we would deliver trophies. But events took a positive turn - the team played awesome football untill feb and trophies looked around the corner and then...........well lets not go there. But what I and I am sure most gooners did not envisage was us getting weaker in the summer than getting stronger.

    Yeah we have signed a few kids and they will all be good in true Arsenal and Wenger tradition and I am really pleased with that. But I don't like the fact that the real business has been left for too late. Yeah the Cesc saga - was not entirely in our hands and we know about that holier than thou club which nagged us right through the summer. But the Nasri situation should have been dealt with by now....I mean come on either tell him to leave take the money from Citeh or else decide to make him stay.

    ALL this speculation and tweets are not helpin us one bit.......and yeah I would not have been bothered by one player but boy we looked slim against Udinese and messrs song's suspension has made us even slimmer for the games against Liverpool & Man Utd. The middle of the park is where we do our string pulling as a team and that was the area that looked most vulnerable and surprisingly and ironically the back four seemed the most reassuring of factors about our squad. But come on - we need to do the business faster now....lets not have a last minute signing ala Arshavin - in fact lets bring in someone before the Udinese game - just like Barca did with Cesc in the second leg of Super Cup.

    I am a huge fan of Wenger and his ways and am absolutely certain that the club has a fantastic future in his hands but in the present scenario of unrest & a lot of myopic fans who boo their own team(WTF) - I want to see some urgency NOW.....heck its already the 19th day of august and it surely doesn't make sense to leave it too late....
  • Spectrum
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    So we can' t compete on wages, eh ? This goes a long way to explaining why..... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/811002-arsenal-fc-have-you-got-rid- of-the-dead-wood-mrwenger
    " ******************"
  • Man United Killa  - good point Gordon
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    Finally, someone who says it like it is..I think TV and Kos are decent defenders but Drogba would have them on his Sandwich any.day...
  • Mohammed Ali  - Happy
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    I am glad that Arsene spends wisely and is helping us buy the stadium outright. In a few years time we will have it, debt free.

    I am glad that Arsene squeezes players wages down as much as possible. And most football fans are too. If players want to leave because they are not paid 150,000 a week, then good riddance to them too.

    If 'fans' love the club, they would always come and watch them, be it they are in 20th place or 8th or 1st.

    If 'fans' start to drift because we are not spending £50m on players in the hope of winning a trophy, then good riddance to them too.

    It is not even about sutainability, it is about being sensible and loving your club for the next 125 years come what weather. Because WE WILL have a great future. Many clubs as you mentioned will die/amalgamate on the way.

    I fear that even really loyal fans are getting too caught up in the media-driven need for gossippy mega-money transfers and winning trophies.

    Everybody, get real and love the club. Full stop.
  • Man United Killa
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    Lol..Squillaci and Silvestre!.this is criminal .Arsene has really committed some serious crimes..he should be jailed! :shock:
  • Man United Killa
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    Wanted to add a little to your post...."the squad we have is the poorest and thinnest...."...you forgot to add 'the shittiest and the most clueless'
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    Richie - cheers mate - sorry how could i forget the cheese - i think they threw in some edam and a tulip field to seal the deal also. The fine print in cescs contract also had 2 tickets to the Barca grand prix if we threw away another title in the run in and stipulated one free backheal to Xavi at the Neu camp.

    Spectrum - Wouldn't it have been great if AW had spat the dummy like O'Niel and left over cash for transfers. Hopefully we could then join Villa in a fight for survival! BTW... can I ask you who you have in mind to take over from rusty mr wenger?

    SB/ML - Agreed koz and verms work great - but which one of the 700 CB's linked with us would you go for as back up, as injury is the one word associated with afc more often then transitional or set-piece
  • red boy
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    arsenal 0 liverpool 3 man u 5 arsenal 0 thats what we got to look forward to with this shit squad sorry to say
  • Man United Killa  - agreed
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    And Walcott should learn to cross a ball and not constantly.run out of field space; instead of running his mouth about "the manager knows what he is doing"..dumb and dumber
  • Man United Killa  - ridiculous Richie
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    Will you drop this 49 unbeaten tun nonsense...its starting to sound boring...living on past glories just because you are not what you used to be is a loser's hallmark
  • john
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    Sure does spectrum. Its not surprising that these bunch of losers are not wanted by anyone and dont want to leave. but then again, they dont give a fuck being losers when there getting £60k a week. Self sustaining model my arse, its quickly turning into self-destruction model.
  • john
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    But we showed good quality and mental strength.... :lol:
  • Cosmos
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    Great Article, I perfectly agree with Squid Boy that we needn't leave any stone unturned. But the truth is would Wenger address the problems.
    The fact that Wenger himself admitted at the end of the season that his defence let him down really attest to the fact that we need to sign some quality defenders. We keep on repeating the same mistakes season after season and am sure this season is not gonna be different. We have identifited some weakness in our defence and instead of Wenger making major signings he is only interested in establishing a "kiddy Kingdom".

    On our signings, I would rate Cahill above all the other defenders. He is excellent both in the air and on the ground I have watched him over and over at Bolton and he is a real defender.His best best game was against Man united at the Reebok stadium. His performance last season is enough for every scout to recommend him and every manager to sign him. Wenger shd go the exrtra mile to get him into our first team and we could use Koscielny as back up. We also need a LB in our defensive set up.

    Now exit of Fab I believe Wenger shd look for an equally good if not better replacement. I think either Hazard and Goycurff would perfectly take the shoes of Fab.

    I believe that we can spend an average of 40m every season and still be able to balance our books. Wenger and the Board shd stop this stinginess and start being serious in the transfer market. We have been understanding for too long and this we are not taking any excuses for Papa Wenger, we are going to "OVERSTAND"
  • GoonerLad  - Ribery WTF???
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    Have you seen him play, ask a bayern fan only turns up for the big games, he'd be no good playin on freezing cold night against an ave team.Same with Robben, worked at a german firm. They were always getting slated...Need players winners with passion,spirit and ability.
  • Texas Gooner  - Laughable
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    "Drogba would have them on his Sandwich any day..."

    Don't have any clue where the basis of that statement comes from. Koscielny may have a tough time with Drogba given the size difference but what he lacks in size he more than makes up for with tenacity and pure skill. Do you not remember the torrid time he gave the best player in the world, Leo Messi, during the first leg of the CL quarters last year? He had Messi in his pocket...so don't give me that bullshit about Drogba having his way.

    On to Verms, he's 3 times the defender Koscielny is, so the rest of this paragraph is self-explanatory.

    Oh and Squillaci is shit yes, but Djourou isn't much better. He's probably one of the worst defenders in the league besides Squillaci. If you argue otherwise you're just ignorant. Horrible decision making, horrible poise, horrible touch, no strength, just an all around shamble of a man. Squillaci and Johan have absolutely no business being at a club of Arsenal's stature and should be shipped out immediately.
  • richie  - No laughing matter
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    Defo! Kosh is a world class defender.
  • richie  - Muk 4gets to read the post again
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    Muk Dave asked a simple question, and I answered him.
    "What makes you think Wenger knows a good CB"? He asked.
    I said he signed Campbell & Toure our best defensive pairing that went 49 games unbeaten. Was it wrong? Muk a losers hallmark is denighing our clubs achievements.
  • richie
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    I wish some of our supporters would show some mental strength,,,,,,,,,,
  • Man United Killa
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    which achievements? The ones of old?
  • Man United Killa
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    hahahaha..Now it's clear you are on Wenger's dope..'mental sztrengtz'?quit playing Richie.The manager himself knows how funny and clueless he sounds with his claim that this team has truckloads mental sztrengtz.this team has no identity.A bunch of average players mixed with a few quality players,half of who will leave in the next year or two if things dont change.Dont kid yourself Richie!

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