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Written by Mean Lean on Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:04

I think I must have been Shawcrossed by some sort of illness dressed up as a thuggish center half. I have lost count of the amount of times I have been sick in the past 12 months, getting a little fed up of it now. I keep coming back as a new healthy person and then I only go and get sick again. The only thing I can do whilst laying in bed is check out the Betfair Football Odds in an attempt to win some hard core cash and make me feel a little better.

The AST meeting yesterday has got everyone talking, has got people speculating about how we are running the club. It has been understood that Arsenal have got somewhere in the region of £45m cash tucked away in Arsene Wenger's bottom sock draw in his home, I can imagine a crowd of people standing up and shouting until slowly sitting back down in silence as the news filters through that roughly the same amount of money will be lost if the club do not make that oh so desirable top four position in the league.

I would like to think that the notion that Arsene refuses to spend the truck loads of loose £50 notes lying around his London Colny office will be knocked on the head but somehow I doubt that very much. Opinions have been formed and it is difficult to knock those down even when presented with evidence that support the opposite view.

Ever since the move to the new, well the old new stadium, the club have been consistent in having confidence that the club can cope without Champions League football. It would be suicide to run a club based on a competition that you never have any guarantees in being a part of, even if our manager has spoilt us rotten with continuous season's at [insert new popular cliche] Europe's top table [close new popular cliche]

As the hoarding of cash has been all but dismissed, attentions now turn once again to our wage policy. A case of tucking the tight Wenger stick away in the broom cupboard and pulling out the Wenger spends too much stick to beat the manager with.

For those who read my tweets last night, apologies for repeating myself but talk of high wages needs a little bit of context applied.

A popular recent comparison of the Arsenal wage bill which is often portrayed as astronomical by some is to compare it with that of high flying Tottenham who have a much tighter wage structure and yet are soaring above us in the league table. Why do we pay our players so much and they have the likes of Gareth Bale and Luka Modric on a packet of skips and diet Pepsi a week.

Then you can unfold some more popular vocabulary like 'dross, dead wood, reward failure, over paid' etc etc. It is actually quite amazing how the human brain works, we soak in the same lines and then puke those lines up everywhere at record speeds.

The comparison to Tottenham is very selective and I assume is used to add credence to the over paid argument.

The reason why we are the fourth highest wage payers in the league, yep I know that astronomical wage bill puts us a massive four places below teams that pay more. As I was saying before I rudely interrupted myself is that Arsenal are a club who under Wenger have played in the Champions League every single year, we have been at the top end of the table every season (UNTIL NOW!!!! get that in before you say it) while Tottenham have managed to get into the Champions League a massive once in that time, cue more lauding of the magical Harry Redknapp.

Arsenal have been regularly getting the financial benefits of Champions League football and that reflects in the wages of the players in our squad. We have had richer clubs swooping over our players for years because of the work by Arsene Wenger in the transfer market, regularly finding gems that other clubs want to snatch from our grasp. During this time Tottenham haven't had to cling onto the feet of Noe Pamarot and Andy Reid to stop Real Madrid from adding them to their collection of Galácticos.

If Tottenham are in the Champions League to stay, even less than half of Wenger's successive time in that competition then let us see if they can keep that wage structure as it is.

It would be a much fairer comparison to compare our wage structure with other teams who have been consistently in the Champions League like Manchester United and Chelsea. Our wage bill would then be the lowest. Is that spin? or is that just plain fact? Depends on which side of the fence you strut your fancy stuff I guess.

Before I get accused of erm not criticising the club, a modern day crime if ever I saw one. We clearly need to make changes to our wage structure. We cannot compete with the flash your cash mob and allegedly are having issues shifting players who are surplus to requirements.

I think the reason for Arsene's policy came from Japan, don't quote me on that but I am sure I read that somewhere. He wanted a harmonious squad who all saw each other as equals and would then fight for each other and not resent each other. Far too many each other's in that paragraph but lets run with it.

A good idea in theory, especially given the fact that many of them (Bendtner, van Persie, Denilson, Diaby etc) were all youngsters when they started their Arsenal careers. The plan was for them all to grow together and develop into an equal winning team. Now this hasn't happened and certain players have earned their money more than others. In van Persie's case his performances could be that of a £200k per week player.

Rather than use the term rewarding failure, I rather call it rewarding potential. Obviously for one reason or another this hasn't worked out. Some of those players have lost their way and are not playing at the level that we would have wanted. Although rewarding potential wasn't much of a problem for the likes of Cesc, van Persie, Toure, Song, Vieira, Cole, Anelka, Henry and many other youngsters who were given the chance to make a career for themselves at Arsenal and made the grade.

We have players in the squad that haven't turned out how we wanted or indeed how the manager would have wanted. Football managers have to make decisions, they are paid to make decisions in the here and now and do not have the benefit of hindsight.

Football fans are the hindsight manager kings with added selective amnesia. One moment we are crying about the absence of Johan Djourou in our run in and then 12 months later we are going ballistic that he has signed an extension.

One minute we are deriding Flamini as a player that just isn't good enough to a player that deserves to be the highest paid player at the club.

One minute we are lauding the ambition of Chelsea and Liverpool for buying 'big name' strikers then next we are laughing about a loan ex player scoring more goals in a few weeks.

I could write an entire blog on fan contradictions. We tend to dump these contradictions into a part of our mind that we forget to access when our predictions fail us. The point of this ramble is that managers make mistakes, sometimes they get it right, sometimes players do not settle and do not work out.

As seen by the collection of players we have playing for the reserves today, some of those players will be moving on during the summer and once that happens then hopefully we can continue to strengthen this squad.

I am bricking it at the prospect of not getting into the top four. I would be lying if I said I wasn't. As I have said before, not because of the competition itself but the potential halt to our rebuild. I think the AST results may also show why many of our deals where done once CL football was guaranteed. I have said this before and believe it to be the case even more so now. Having to wait until we were certain to get that load of cash from the CL stopped Arsene from bringing in players earlier during the summer. If that is the case then I blame the collapse at the end of last season. Had we finished third then who knows what position we would have been in today.

Park has scored for Arsenal reserves. That's a hat trick off the bench against Spurs then.

I had some other points to make but I have the movie The Blind Side on in the background and it is distracting me. So I am off to watch it.

Please note: I suspect that plenty will disagree with the above, all I ask if for your view to be respectable, if not it doesn't get through. Simples.

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Comments (20)

  • IndiGunner  - In Wenger We Trust
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    You are Spot on mate! We fans conradict ourself sooo much, season started we feared religation, now we cry for the top spot. I dont us to be Liverpool or Chelski, even the managerr costed them 12 Mil! transfer fee for what? I have full trust in Wenger and with few tactical changes and some good bench we will rise again! I am hoping to see Jack, Santos and Diaby back! Cant wait for midfield of Ryo, AOC, Jack & Theo, Gerivino,Ramsey.
    Strike partners To RVP as Afobe and Joel will set the best defenders on fire.. Though i dont mind seeing the back of Mig23, Yossi,Denilson, Squallachi, Vela, alminua and B52.

    Future is bright for us Gooners, cheer up!
  • Anonymous  - chas b
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    I thought your article was interesting and balanced although when the team are losing so regularly I think it can be diffiicult to feel like that. One thing I was not sure about was your statement about not buying players until we qualified for the champions league, while I think this is in part true I also think perhaps more worringly that Wenger believed that he would be able to persuade Fabergas and Nasri to stay. In some ways you could say this was understandable given his success in persuading players such as Viera and Henry to stay when it seemed that they might leave. However, the circumstances for these two did seem different and I think that Wenger was omnipotent in thinking that he could change either Cesc or Nasri's mind. To me this seems to show how fragile wenger's state of mind has become which I think was linked to the collapse at the end of last season and perhaps how it seems that he is losing it with the players ( in public ) at least more often then in previous years. I worry that if this is the case whether he can ever be as great as he was.
  • Gooner'79
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    Great article Mean Lean. Adding to your list of fan contradictions if I may?

    Despite the mainstream sports media's relentless calls for an English manager for England, it's worth noting that NO English manager has EVER won the Premier league or the Champions League.

    I'm bringing this up because it's easy to get sucked in to the repetitive and inaccurate nature of sport and media.

    As soon as I realised this stat, I was shocked because I don't recall it ever being mentioned before and it doesn't fit in with the current storyline that Harry Redknapp is the best possible choice for England manager based on the fact that he's won 1 FA cup. Not exactly got a cupboard full of achievements does he?
  • Jekyll
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    Your points are reasonably phrased but the subtext is not. You are saying what you're saying because you want Wenger to remain in charge, you wish the status quo at AFC to stay in place. This is to support the continuation of downward trajectory, the decline that we have seen over the past few seasons.
  • Thundertinygooner  - Harry the Messiah
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    Talking about TalkSport as a basis for rational discussion is clearly not appropriate but on Friday travelling back from a friend's funeral and already in a morose mood I heard the execrable Durham tell his listeners that 'Arry would have made Walcott a better player than Wenger can.Too many morons queue up to tell him what a good show it s for me to bother to try to contradict him but my mind turned to Aaron Lennon ((Walcott lite) who has surely become European footballer of the year elect under Redknapp's tutelage. Just because Bale may be about to become a superstar and Spurs have for the first time in modern history got a better team than us does not mean we should lose perspective.But and there is a but while there is scant evidence that Redknapp is a better coach than Wenger there does need to be a realisation that Redknapp improves Spurs incrementally in a way that Wenger does not improve Arsenal anymore.Arsene always plans three years hence.Harry plans for three days hence and in this current football environment we need a manager who looks a little bit more pragmatic in his team building and less idealistic. If he had buttressed our side more in January in three of the last five years we might have won the title. Those days might be gone for a very long time.
  • BigL  - Interest
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    Interesting your take on the money we have available.
    You say that the myth we have been hording cash has been disproved, my take was it proved that the manager had £50m to spend in the summer but chose not to.

    I guess the debate on that one will rage on :-)
  • MeanLean
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    @BigL to be honest, I don't have much of a knowledge of the breakdown of the finances, as in what was available at what points and what money comes in at different times.

    I do doubt that the manager would be able to spend every available bit of spare money available at one time.

    @Gooner 79 & ThundertinyGooner

    It is amazing how the two managers are treated so differently. Imagine if Redknapp had a quarter of Arsene's success.

    @Jekyll,

    I do indeed want the manager to remain in charge, mainly because of the situation the club is in. The club is currently chained to the stadium and our poor commercial deals (compared to our rivals) which means we have less available money to spend.

    The reason why I want the manager to stay in charge of the club is because he has a track record of building teams without masses of cash.

    I am sure there are managers who motivate players better than Arsene, I am sure there are managers who are more tactically astute but I don't see a manager who has punched above his weight as much as Arsene.
  • Jekyll
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    @ MeanLean

    Yes, he does have that track record. The problem is that was quite some time ago now. He hasn't built a team that competes for the whole season for quite a number of years now. We have seen the same issues come up quite a few seasons in a row now. There is an undeniable downward trajectory there, so I suppose you either think Wenger is going to suddenly arrest that, change the things he can change, or he's going to continue exactly as he has done and therefore so will our decline. I know which looks more likely to me, and a lot of that is due to what Wenger actually tells us, as well as what he does. Therefore it is time, for the good of AFC, for a change of manager.
  • BigL
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    @MeanLean

    I think money side of things is the source of every supporter’s discontent. To make matters worse I think Wenger brings it on himself. Constantly saying we can spend £40m on players or we can compete with Chelsea with transfers sets a certain level of expectation. Then going out and doing the exact opposite by finding a p**s poor player just sets everyone against you.

    You can’t keep lying to people. Its not like the games are free to attend, they cost a fortune. If Apple or another company did this you’d never by their product again.

    As for Wenger moving on… I would love it but I am torn between him going now and at the end of the season. If he went now then I’m not sure it would serve any purpose. We’d end up with a manager who we wouldn’t necessarily want. But on the other side, the team might actually start playing for their places and get their fingers out.
    I know the argument goes that ‘what manager is available’, well, good managers are never available, the always require some encouragement to become available so that’s not really a worry.

    We are 4th although I expect us to slip to around 6th. As poor as Chelsea are, we find new ways to be even poor.

    Finally mate, its good to find a blog with opposite views to mine with a blogger capable of having a reasonable chat. Keep it up mate.
  • Bogdan
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    @MeanLean can I add the fact whenever we sign a player the first thing he says is '''i came here to play under Wenger''. One of the main things Arsenal has/had that is/was appealing to players, other than CL, is Wenger. That is one of the reasons we were able to attract quality player in these past 7 years. Should he go, i think we will deal with a major problem even if he leaves us in forth place. We would need to bring a manager that can attract player the way he does for us now, and I am not sure that type of manager would be available or that Arsenal would pay him what he want in order to join, or even that that typw of manager would want to come to be fair.

    I am not saying he should or that he shouldn't go. Everyone is entitle to their own opinions. But when people say they want him out i would like to see some examples of people who might be capable of replacing him and arguments on why those people might be good for us

    It is really easy to point what the issues are, but when it comes to giving solutions we run out of ideas and end up with a headache.

    And the worst part is even if we think we came up with a good solution for a certain problem, we might give a solution for something that wasn't a problem in the first place. We speculate on what the issues our club has behind the scenes, but the truth is we have no idea. It could be Wenger, it could be the board..or it could be both.
  • Bogdan
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    Forgot to ask.: I have seen the Arsenal-Spurs comparison in terms of wages. Can someone say how many players do we have on our wage bill and how many do they have?
  • Jekyll
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    @ Bogdan, the flaw in your argument is we're not attracting / buying quality players anymore as it is (AOC willl hopefully develop into an exception to this) and as for whether we'd pay another manager what he'd want - Wenger is on £7m a year, one of the higest paid managers in the world. So that shouldn't be a problem.
  • Jekyll
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    @BigL. On whether Wenger should go now or at end of season, I like the Online Gooner editor's idea on this. Put Bould in charge for now, see how he does. He can't do much worse. He might even organise the defence a bit and results could pick up. Then review at end of season.
  • Spectrum
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    Anonymous -chad b - You mentioned the Fabregas / Nasri fiasco. And fiasco it was. I have said my piece on this before, but it bears repeating. It appears that Fabregas would have preferred to stay. But faced with the prospect of no quality players coming in ( heard that before somewhere ? ), the prospect of not winning a trophy, and the pressure from, and lure of Barcelona, he resolved to leave. I don't blame him for doing so. He'd been loyal for years, and had been ultra patient, but Wenger promised him what he (Wenger ) couldn't deliver - trophies ( which subsequent events proved correct ).

    Yes, Wenger didn't expect Fab to leave, but the possibility had been known for a LONG TIME. But as is often the case with our manager, there was no Plan B. The REAL scandal here however, was that Fab had a few years left on his contract, and could have been made to honour it, and for the club to hold out for a better fee. Instead Wenger was caught out with no contingency plan, and to add insult, let him go far too cheaply. Barca were laughing all the way to the bank.

    With Nasri, he wanted more money, yes. But he also made it clear that he wanted to WIN THINGS, and saw little chance of it happening with us. He was in the last year of his contract, and so his situation was different. But Wenger wanted to keep him, instead of cashing in while he still could. The board saw how this was bad business, and so intervened and forced Wenger to sell. So we made about 25 million, whereas if Wenger had had HIS way, we would have got nothing. An example of poor ( and potentially costly ) judgment, from a man who has an economics degree, no less !

    And this whole shambolic affair took so long to sort out, that the team's preparation for the forthcoming season was adversely affected. Which at least partially accounts for why we panic bought on the last day of the transfer window, and got off to our worst start for 58 years in August.
  • Bogdan
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    @Jekyll Sagna Arteta Mertesacker Vermaelen Koscielny Gervinho....these are quality players.
  • JD  - BOULD????
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    I cannot believe that you honestly think that Bould would be a better option than Wenger do you understand nothing about football. At least you have shown your argument to be complete rubbish. Why don't we just get Steve Bruce in he's available, he can organise a defence and apparently we can't do any worse than Wenger. (obvious sarcasm) DO YOU EVEN WATCH FOOTBALL!
  • Anonymous  - replacement mid season? really..?
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    Those clamouring for a transition of Mgrs during the season...
    Come on... dont you think this might affect some of the transfer negotiations that are probably being put in place for the summer...

    Whether we like it or not...some players come over to Arsenal because they want to play under Arsene ...this is not to point out that this makes
    Arsene the most brilliant Mgr tactically/psychologically/tc.. it just means that some players look to the some of the players that have graced Arsenal ..i,e developed at Arsenal..

    If you really want to change Mgr...wouldnt it be better to wait till the end of the season and take stock then...?
  • Bogdan
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    @Jekyll - also the likes of AOC are here because him and his reputation of giving young player a chance. And the way we got Aoc is also the way we got players like Song, Cesc , Rvp and so on. It's not just about the players we can attract for the first team but for the academy as well. Because you have to think of both situation. The first one: we actually do have the money and the person who will come can actually be able to bring the players he wants and we want. And the second situation were we can't actually do that and again we have to rely on youth and developing them for the first team, to a certain point of course.

    That is what i am saying we can't actually know because we don;t have all the information and we are being told just certain things. Obviously mistakes have been made and we are not in an ideal situation right now. But for us to come up with a solution we need to now what the issues really are.For now all we can do is speculate.

    In the situation where we do change manager we need to understand as well that a team won;t be build in a season but in a few years.Even with all the money in the world spent. I am not saying that we shouldn't,maybe that will be the best for Arsenal, just that there are a lot of things to figure out.
  • BigL
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    @Anonymous

    I agree some players will go to a club to play under a manager, but they are professionals who should play for the badge not for the man. Look at Chelsea, the players loved Mourinho, but how many of them followed him out the door?

    The trouble is, come the summer is we’ll start the same cycle again.

    -- Lets judge him after the transfer window closes.
    -- No point sacking him now the transfer window has closed, wait until January.
    -- Lets see what he does in the transfer window
    -- No point sacking a manager mid season, judge him in May

    Repeat.

    I’m not necessarily saying sack him, it will never happen anyway. But something needs to happen to break the cycle of inevitability.

    @Jekyll

    Bould would be a good shout. He’ll probably end up taking over anyway.
    I would prefer a world class manager however.
  • Jekyll
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    @JD - Think before you type. Bould until the end of the season. Then see who is available. Have you been watching Arsenal this season? Incidentally, this is the opinion of the author of Arsenal - The Making of a Modern Superclub, not my original opinion, just one I happen to agree with. I'd assume you'd acknowledge he knows something about football.

    All the rest is talk, we don't know this, we dont know that. Worrying about academy players not coming cos Wenger isn't there - come on. What about the first team? What about the overall performance of the club?

    What we do know is we're in freefall. The truth is on the pitch.

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