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Written by Mean Lean on Wednesday, 15 August 2012 11:37

This whole backwards thing that Arsenal are doing is all very confusing and needs plenty of readjustment. Last season we had started the season in relegation form and then went into title winning form towards the end of the season to jump into third. Previously we would start the season all guns blazing leaving us all flying into the betting shops whacking down some pennies on Arsenal finally ending the longest run a team has ever seen without winning a title. Or perhaps that is just reserved for us Gooners.

This new backwards thinking doesn't just stop at the actual football though, no siree. It appears to have moved along nicely to the transfer window. Instead of our players jumping ship first, only for us to then hunt the market in the middle of the night on transfer deadline day, searching for players who are not standing in groups for protection we look to have done our business the other way round. Nice and early.

I've been through the whole lark of why I believe we moved early this time compared to last season stuff, so won't go there again. But it looks like those who want to roll around the freshly cut greener grass elsewhere are bussling with eachother at the end of this window trying to squeeze out of the door.

How any grass could look any more green than the Emirates turf with Santi Cazorla's little imprints embedded in them is a mystery to me.

As the league season approaches, players and clubs would like their business sorted out as soon as possible. Robin van Persie continues to edge closer to his move to Manchester United if the papers are to be believed. While I usually pay no attention to them, it looks increasingly likely that he will be wearing opposition colours at some point this season.

I am still not happy about his likely destination but I kinda just want it sorted now. I am hoping for a late Manchester City swoop because as much as I detest their footballing model, acquiring van Persie does not help them as much as it would the red half of Manc land.

But hey, I guess that is no longer in our hands. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of our business was now dependant on the cash we receive from Robin van Persie and if that is the case then it would probably work out best if we cashed in our chips so we can reinvest elsewhere instead of having a top heavy strike force but having to miss out on other areas of the pitch that the manager may want to address.

The whole Alex Song rumour is rather annoying I must say. Firstly Darren Dein needs to be thrown to Lions, Sharks, Bears or whichever sharped tooth animal that is in close vicinity. The club should not allow him anywhere near our players. I am not quite sure how much power the club have when it comes to players agents but clearly the fellow is not doing the club much good right about now.

The media and I imagine Dein are pushing Song to Barca quite hard which seems a little strange given the fact that he has three years left on his deal. Unlike van Persie and Walcott he doesn't have the club by the balls but his camp are certainly acting that way.

Wenger has batted away suggestions that Song will be leaving for Catalonia so that should really be the end of that. It isn't though. The Barcelona mouthpiece in Spain continue to write about him and print his quotes about Barcelona being the best team in the world etc along with any number of their cretinous little players talking about how welcome Song would be at Barcelona.

The only way Alex Song will depart Arsenal is if Arsene wants him to and I guess we cannot rule that out entirely. The squad has changed, our style of play will adjust and I wouldn't be surprised if Arsene would want a quicker passing midfield to rotate and compliment the insane talents of one Santiago Cathorla (still feel a little weird saying it that way)

I am not suggesting that Arsene wants Song out, he has helped him become a top player but if we accept any bid from Barcelona then that would likely have been the case.

With the M'Vila rumour not going away and our potential link to Sahin, I smell a little bit of smoke in the air, not a great deal but a little bit. Perhaps Arsene wants a more specialist defensive player who will be more in the mould of Gilberto. Perhaps Alex Song has told Arsene that he wants to assess his options, perhaps Arsene looked at the videos of last season and feels like replacing Song is the way to go. Who knows. Perhaps Arsene meant exactly what he said, and selling Song is just not an option.

Maybe all that smoke is just a neighbour attempting to have a barbeque in the rain, we shall see as time goes on.

Interestingly enough is what happens to the books if van Persie and Song leave. We were all left open mouthed with the money spent so far but a quick look at what might come in changes everything.

Podolski £10.3m van Persie £20m
Giroud £9.6m Song £15m
Cazorla £11.9m Vela £2.5m




Total £31.8m
£37.5m




Income via ArsenalReport.com
Outgoings estimated

 

This doesn't include the likes of Bendtner, Park and any other who may leave the club.

What is a little concerning is the amount of changes that we have made and potentially will continue to make. Any fluency and partnerships of last season are going to have be built or adjusted and given our pretty tough start to the season, that could cause us a few issues in the short term. Not that they looked at all out of sync in our game against FC Koln.

I want us to tie down (not literally) Theo Walcott as quickly as possible, it has dragged on long enough now. Indications were that he wants to stay but I no longer listen to indications (Thanks Robin van Persie) but with our new shaped team I believe that we will start to see the very best of Master Theo. As @NicksPinkBoots said in a recent article, a better serviced Theo Walcott is a better Theo Walcott. What better service can one get than a little two footed Spanish magician?

I know, I know I continue to show too much excitement when it comes to Cazorla. The funny thing is you get that impression from the Arsenal players. Every interview from Arsenal players about Cazorla usually starts with a shake of the head and a wry smile, as if what he does in training cannot be explained. I really want to see Rosicky and Cazorla on the same pitch, corrrrr!

Anyway that is my lot for today. Hopefully we shall have something more concrete in the next few days.

If you missed @hahostolze's excellent piece yesrerday called A Change in Transfer Pace then have a read. It's good stuff.

Bye for now.

Comments (31)

  • afc
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    I just dont get rvp. what is going on in hes head?? look at the squad we have this season, why stay at arsenal for 8 years win nothing and then when we start to be debt free with cash to spend on top class players he fucks off. Its crazy when you actually think about it..we have top class players all over the shop now,,, giroud, podolski, song, wilshere, arteta, cazorla, chamberlain, sagan, vermaelen. these players would get into most teams in europe..add rvp to the list and we have a team that can match any team in the world. I would love to speak to rvp one to one i want to know what is going on in he mind because it must be all about the money. if he goes to man united he will be the so hated more so than cashley
  • Dav
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    I'm clueless about RVP too. I kinda get the impression that the Dein family is systematically trying to bring down the board at Arsenal. they don't care about the club they just care about their own involvment with the club
  • gary
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    It's his last contract and he wants a big one. It's all about money and Man U will offer him at least 50,000 a WEEK more
  • MeanLean
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    Probably along with a longer contract
  • Anonymous
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    Replacing song is not foward thinking. U make it sound as if mvilla is a better or quicker passer of the ball. If mvilla was as good as u claimed barca or inter would have made a bid,I mean he is free after all. Barca only go for players that can make them better so they figuring out Song means the dude is good after all. We must keep Song. Give him a new contract . Is just ridiculous to know he earns thesame as squilachi djourou bendtner park and CHamark. We can't be exposing our best players to temptations from other club. Song is our most capped player 100£k and vice captain sounds good to me. He has bn our most consistent player in the last 3 years. Theo must stay too.
  • Gooner'79
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    Well, RvP has gone now. My general feelings are that of disappointment, disgust, anger and bitterness.

    All the positive, pro-Arsenal soundbites from RvP last year, were just that, soundbites. No truth in them whatsoever. Just nice little packaged up paragraphs that made us Gooners feel all warm and fuzzy at night time.

    Why is it, that all these players harp on about Wenger being a father figure, how much they respect him, etc, when this is how they all treat him?

    The one person that I actual trust at Arsenal, is Wenger. He's the only one that's stuck by his word. He's taken all the criticism when everybody was telling him to get rid of injury-prone RvP, but he stood by him.

    When other clubs were waving wads of cash under his nose, he stood by Arsenal Football Club.

    So whenever somebody wants to start slagging him off but lavishing praise on these fickle and disloyal players, I really hope that more Gooners start standing up for Wenger as he really is the only true and genuine figure at the club right now.
  • ndbest  - Goodbye RVP
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    finally rv pussy heads manchester united 2 finalize his potential move to old traford after arsenal have agreed a deal with man u.pls arsene replace him with fernando liorente.
  • diaby
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    Expect Song and Walcott to follow. Wagner's project is crumbling. IAWR
  • diaby
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    Wenger not Wagner! Bloody phone
  • diaby
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    Paspartu-still confident that Wenger will keep RVP and his "plan" remains on track? IPWL (in Paspartu we laugh)
  • Waterboy
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    With RVP all set to move to Man U, I am really interested to see how his departure will impact on what positions the remaining attackers in Arsenal squad will take up. Will Podolski and Giroud share the central striking role? And if so will the wing positions be rotated between Gervinho, Walcott and Ox and will the club bring in another winger to compete with these three? Alternatively will Podolski, Gervinho, Walcott and Ox rotate to fill the wing positions and will Chamahk and Giroud share the central striking options or will the club bring in another striker to share the load with Giroud? Looking forward to doing a squad assessment after we've played a couple of elp matches and the transfer window shuts! Btw i second ML's comments regarding hahostolze's article A Change in Transfer Pace! A really interesting read!
  • In Wenger We Trust  - Batman Ate Robin
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    The answers to your questions. Just wait till the 18th. You'll know. :wink:
  • Spectrum
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    Ha - ha ! Gooner '79, you really ought to go into comedy, you're so suited to it : ( quote ) "I really hope that more Gooners start standing up for Wenger as he really is the only true and genuine figure at the club right now ".

    Yeah, SO true and genuine, that he just sold our best player and captain to one of our biggest rivals - Man. Utd. I'm sure that this brilliant decision of his will truly and genuinely help THEM to win the title - not us !!!! And it's not the first time - Wenger has developed a history of doing this. Clichy and Nasri to City for example.

    " I had no choice." claims Wenger in the media. Oh yes you did, Arsene. There were other offers you could have considered, but no, you had to strengthen United instead. But then again, are United REALLY our rivals, anyway ? They aim to WIN the title, we are content to finish third or fourth.

    Then we have more of Wenger's lies: " We have already recruited - since we ( have signed ) Giroud and Podolski, who originally were intended to offset the departure of van Persie," he concluded.

    This, after having said just a COUPLE OF WEEKS or so ago, that Van Persie will definitely NOT be sold. So from that statement, Wenger clearly already KNEW that Van Persie intended to leave, and yet told the supporters that he wouldn't be ! Yep, he sure "stuck by his word " didn't he ? How "true and genuine" is that, Gooner '79 ?

    Wouldn't it be ironic if RVP were to score the winning goal for United against us, and knock us out of the top four as a result ? Would you still be "standing up for him " then ?

    "IAWR"
  • Spectrum  - " Nothing new under the sun....?"
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    A mere two weeks to go before the transfer window closes. I think a lot of people would agree that we need another left back, another right back, a good solid defensive midfielder, and probably a good back up for Szecsney. Minimum. In other words, defensive reinforcements. A need that is blindingly obvious, as it HAS BEEN for many seasons now. But so far - zilch. All Wenger talks about is which strikers he admires and is thinking of signing. He is so obsessed with his "attack at all cost " philosophy that he is blinded to the need to sort this area out FIRST.

    Podolski and Cazorla are two of his better signings, ( though in my opinion they won't make up for the loss of Van Persie ). We should score lots of goals ( as we traditionally tend to do ), but we'll also concede as many, or more, at the other end. So all your excitement over the new forward line, A.K.B.'s, is likely to be ( ultimately ) in vain. Will Bould's influence stabilise the back four ? Maybe, but you can only work with what you've got - and what we've had hasn't proved to be good enough so far. He could start the improvement by dispensing with our continual high defensive line, or only employing it where NECESSARY. Will he ? Well we're talking about Wenger here. - judging by his past record, what do you think ? :idea:

    "IAWR"
  • Gooner'79
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    @Spectrum

    I'll address your comments point by point:

    1) True and genuine are words which I stand by when talking about Arsene Wenger, as far his intentions for AFC are concerned. He's always had Arsenal's best interests at heart, even to the point where he will deflect things away from his own players and the club and take the pressure on his own shoulders. Maybe if you think long and hard, whether you like it or not, we've had 15 consecutive years of Champions League football, being right at the top table on 3 occasions, whilst not breaking the bank and being a self-sustained club. (Look what's happened to Glasgow Rangers)

    2) You seem to think that is PURELY the clubs choice when players are sold. Not true. Arsenal could have very well wanted to sell RvP abroad, but if RvP doesn't want to go, they can't force him as he is still under contract. The Juventus option was clearly a non-starter after the first team coach was banned for 10 months for suspicious behaviour relating to match fixing. Man City may well have been interested, but as Mancini and Wenger both confirmed, City hadn't actually made an official bid for RvP. So, what do Arsenal do? It's not really an option to force an unhappy player to stay and then lose for free less than a year later. To get £24m for RvP is superb business and represents a £21.5m profit on a player we've had for 8 years (despite his injury record).

    3) Wenger has openly spoken about how he will lie to the media to protect Arsenal's interests. Whether that's lying about an injured player or, in this case, a player that wants to leave. Based on your somewhat twisted logic, Wenger should have told the truth and said that RvP definitely wants to leave, what do you think that would do to the sale price? Obviously, it would indicate that the AFC are looking to get rid, and in an instant, their bargaining power would be null and void. If Wenger has to lie to the media in order to get the best deal for Arsenal then I'm fine with it. And forgive me if I choose to support a man with a degree in Economics who has managed to keep us competitive whilst still able to operate as a successful business.

    4) If RvP ended up scoring the winning goal for United and therefore knocking us out of the Top 4, I would be thanking Wenger for managing to get £24m out of him. Imagine if we kept RvP then let him go next year for free and he STILL goes to United and STILL scores a goal to knock us out of the top 4? One suspects that the anti-Wenger mob would be up in arms lambasting the manager for not cashing in when he had the chance.
  • Spectrum  - Co-incidence ?
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    diaby @05;02 - "Expect Song and Walcott to follow. Wenger's project is crumbling."

    Dead right, mate. We absolutely MUST balance the books after all ! Feeder clubs ( who were formerly big ), need to do that. And if those two ( or ANYONE else ) do go, they're sure to be branded money hungry traitors. Gee, there seems to be A LOT of these types at Arsenal. Just a statistical anomaly that so many "greedy ones" want to leave our club.
    Nothing whatsoever to do with ambition or the way it's being run, of course.

    Ungrateful bastards.....

    "IAWR"
  • Spectrum
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    Gooner '79 - And I'll address your comments point by point ; 1) It's all well and good to boast that we've had fifteen consecutive seasons of C.L. football. But what good is that, when we've had virtually no hope of winning it, largely due to Wenger's refusal to strengthen the team by adding QUALITY players to replace the ones he continually sells ? Instead bringing in inferior and mediocre replacements. How is that ever going to win us the C.L. ?

    You mentioned Rangers. Not a relevant comparison. Fro what I've read, Rangers got themselves into trouble by not paying ENOUGH ( i.e. not paying their correct share of taxation ), it was not to do with recklessly overspending !

    2) I'm well aware that's it's not purely the club's choice when to sell. In fact, we didn't even have to sell. But agreed, as RVP was in the final year of his contract, and it makes sense to cash in while we can. This is in contrast to last time, when Wenger was quite prepared to let Nasri go for free until Kroenke overruled Wenger. At least he didn't repeat that mistake ( amazingly ).HOWEVER, that being said, the club CAN and DOES have the final say over WHO to sell the player to.

    And if Wenger truly has the best interests of Arsenal at heart, then you don't give your bitter rivals a leg up by letting him go to them. That's handicapping yourself to a large extent. It's plain stupid. And it should make all Gooners angry. It may have been good business financially, ( which knowing this board, was their main consideration of course ), but we shouldn't be making it harder for ourselves in the league. We could have waited for other offers, preferably overseas ones - there's still a year to run of his contract. Unless you think making a profit is MORE IMPORTANT than potential on field success ? Do you ? I don't.

    3) It was no secret that Van Persie wanted to leave.He announced it publicly, ( along with a scathing critique of the club's lack of ambition ). That's why the bids were made for him. Wenger didn't need to be coy about whether he was really leaving, because We ALL knew that. Just a couple of weeks ago, Wenger said that RVP would definitely NOT BE SOLD.That he intended to keep him. Today we have sold him. That constitutes a LIE. Not about protecting the club's interests in this particular case. Just a blatant lie, that misled us, the fans.

    And as for Wenger's economics degree - you don't need an economics degree to see that letting Nasri go on a free in a year's time, when we could and eventually ( thanks to Kroenke ) DID, get 25 million for him, makes good economic sense. But Wenger didn't see. So perhaps he should hand his degree to Kroenke, as Kroenke has more nous in this area than Wenger, it appears.

    4) See 2) paragraph two.

    "IAWR"
  • Spectrum
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    Gooner '79 - " We have already recruited - since we ( have signed ) Giroud and Podolski, who originally were intended to offset the departure of van Persie," he concluded.

    "who originally were intended to OFFSET THE DEPARTURE of Van Persie," So Wenger had ALREADY MADE contingency plans* ( * for a change ) in the event that RVP left. So why, having done this, did he then state just very recently - that he would not be going anywhere, that he was a vital part of the team e.t.c. e.t.c. ?

    Incidentally, I think I recall Wenger saying that Nasri was an important player for Arsenal, and would absolutely not be sold. The next week he was gone.

    Here's one thing he WAS being truthful about -"You cannot say you are a big club, and then sell your best two players. A big club does not sell its best players......".
    "IAWR"
  • Spectrum  - But wait , there's more......
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    And this ; ( courtesy of Le Grove ) - " We have not bought the players to replace Van Persie."

    That line was printed only 4 days ago. Then last night I read this, courtesy of TF1.

    "We’ve already recruited to replace him."

    So what’s that all about? That’s a straight up lie to the fans via a French news channel. One that he’s churned out within the space of a week.

    "IAWR"
  • MeanLean
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    And this ; ( courtesy of common sense)

    Arsene Wenger does what is in the best interest of the club. If already knew that van Persie wanted to leave and explaining to the press that our new signings were his replacements before any deal was done would weaken our hand and strengthen that of the buying club.

    I thought that was quite simple but when you have an agenda then I do not expect you to delve into your common sense. I assume you actually knew that about buying and selling. Perhaps I give you too much credit, I don't know.

    It is this reason why I do not bother to 'debate' with you. Just wanted to explain this to others who may have read what you wrote and took what you said seriously.
  • Andy Mack  - RvP to Manure
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    I don't think he'll suit their style and the front line is not where their problems are. Plus I really can't believe RvP will get through another season without a notable injury. I've no problem with him going there except it does show him up as a twat.
  • Gooner'79
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    (** sighs **) If i must, I must.

    Allow me to break it down for you Spectrum.

    Let's stick to the point system, as it allows me to prove each of your comments incorrect and flawed.

    1) So you said,

    "we've had virtually no hope of winning it, largely due to Wenger's refusal to strengthen the team by adding QUALITY players to replace the ones he continually sells ? Instead bringing in inferior and mediocre replacements. How is that ever going to win us the C.L. ?"

    Our survey says:

    Arsenal got to the Champions League Final in 2006. That constitutes a hope of winning it, no?

    When Nasri left, we bought Gervinho AND Oxlade-Chamberlain, when Cesc left we bought Arteta, now we also have Cazorla, Podolski, Giroud, plus Wilshere, the list goes on and on.

    2) You said:

    "Fro what I've read, Rangers got themselves into trouble by not paying ENOUGH ( i.e. not paying their correct share of taxation ), it was not to do with recklessly overspending!"

    Our survey says:

    Rangers went into administration for avoiding tax. Correct. But what do you think they did with all the money? Hmmmm? New players perhaps, higher wages? That would qualify for reckless overspending, no?

    3) You said:

    "Wenger was quite prepared to let Nasri go for free until Kroenke overruled Wenger. At least he didn't repeat that mistake ( amazingly ).HOWEVER, that being said, the club CAN and DOES have the final say over WHO to sell the player to."

    Our survey says:

    Where did you get your information from when you say that Wenger was prepared to let Nasri go for free? Did Wenger personally phone you and explain his tactics in trying to get the best deal he can for Nasri. Did Kroenke fly you over to the States in his private jet and let you in on his overuling swordsmanship in the board room?

    I think not.

    Something tells me that you, my friend, believe everything you hear, read and see.

    Has it occurred to you that, Wenger is the perfect bluffer? If a club thinks that Arsenal are reluctant to sell a player, they know that they'll have to cough up the cash in order to buy the player. If they, however, know that the club are looking to sell, then the buying club know they can offer less. Make sense doesn't it. Wenger uses the media in the same way they use him.

    4) You said:

    "And if Wenger truly has the best interests of Arsenal at heart, then you don't give your bitter rivals a leg up by letting him go to them. That's handicapping yourself to a large extent. It's plain stupid. And it should make all Gooners angry."

    Our survey says:

    We made £21.5 million profit by selling a 29 year old who has been plagued with long term injury and has just about managed a season and half in 8 years. Given all that, and the fact that he's unlikely to better his last season at Arsenal, getting £24m for him is amazing business.

    And who did we buy?
    Podolski (Over 100 international caps for Germany),

    Giroud (winner of French Ligue 1 Top goal scorer last season with 21 goals.) Player of the year in Ligue 2 in 2010)

    Cazorla (40 caps for Spain, Winner of Euro 2008 & 2012, Player of the year in 2007.)

    Those are quality players AND we've got £24m for a player that would've been able to sign a pre-contract with Utd in 5 months. So our net spend from selling van Persie but buying those three players is roughly £6m.

    So we're a technically stronger team than last season, and lost a disgruntled player who didn't want to play for us anymore. Great.

    5) You said:

    "And this ; ( courtesy of Le Grove ) - " We have not bought the players to replace Van Persie."

    That line was printed only 4 days ago. Then last night I read this, courtesy of TF1.

    "We’ve already recruited to replace him."

    So what’s that all about? That’s a straight up lie to the fans via a French news channel. One that he’s churned out within the space of a week."

    Our survey says:

    Yet again, you're taking what Wenger says publicly as gospel. It's not. He is using the media to manipulate a climate where he can get the best price for his player. If the clubs know that the players he has bought were to replace RvP, then it means that Arsenal want to sell and the buying clubs have more bargaining power. That's where Wenger's economics degree kicks in my friend.


    Try and follow up with something factual and not based on heresay in the media.
  • Spectrum
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    Mean Lean - I understand the negotiating tactics that managers use. That all the managers do. But in this instance, it seems your view is in the minority. If you read the general football press and social media, ( not just the A.K.B. blogs ), many Gunners are furious about RVP going to United, and think that Wenger DID lie on this issue. So you can say it's "all part of the mind games" if you want, but it comes across to me and others, that you're simply trying to cover for him. Hardly a surprise.

    What excuse will you use to explain the imminent departure of Song ? Even you'd agree that he'd have a better chance of winning things with Barcelona ? And we don't need to sell HIM, either. He's still got a few years left on his contract, I believe. So what's your spin, er, " view " on this then ?

    "IAWR"
  • Spectrum
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    Gooner '79 - Rangers would be foolish to overspend on players and higher wages in a reckless way, in order to achieve a quick return to the top flight That assumption by you is reckless, if anything. They'll likely lose some support now that they're in the third division. It could take a while for them to return.

    On the Nasri transfer - I get my information from the same source that you and everyone else does that is not connected directly to the club - through the media. That was what various media outlets reported. It is what most of us form our views and opinions from. You can't believe EVERYTHING they say, naturally, but if all they printed WERE lies, they wouldn't stay in business, would they ? Do your research on the Cesc / Nasri fiasco - I thought you already would have, then you wouldn't need to have asked me, would you ?

    We have lost the man who was voted Player Of The Year, and who scored 40% of our goals last term. We didn't have to let United have him, even if Robin himself wanted to go. But we did. But like the board and Wenger have conditioned you to think, you see this as more of a good business deal, rather than the loss of a key player. We could STILL have made a good profit, by waiting and selling him to another major club, but what is the sense in advantaging ANY of our rivals, whether it be United, Chelsea, City, e.t.c. ? That is the point I am making. And that is how most realists would see it. And they're saying so.

    Will Wenger manipulate the media to get the best price for Song ? Why would he ? There's no need to. Song is under contract. Selling him would be pointless, UNLESS it's to balance the books. Therefore if this deal goes ahead, it simply proves once more that we are now a selling club. What do you think of that ?

    Regardless of how any of us feel about it, United have shown their boldness and intent in signing Van Persie. It is this type of courage that WE should be displaying. By this, I mean they add to an ALREADY STRONG team, whilst we either replace, or weaken a mediocre one.

    "IAWR"
  • MeanLean
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    Wow what a pathetic attempt.

    So according to Spectrum, all other managers say different things to the press to get the best for their clubs but it is Arsene Wenger who has lied. Apparently, according to Spectrum, I am in the minority. Can you please prove that? No of course you cannot because like a lot of what you say it is based on nothing but a negative view of the Arsenal manager which makes up for 90% at least of your comments.

    So Spectrum (can't believe I have been sucked into this) what does the manager gain from stating publicly a week ago (during negotiations with another club) that he wants the player to stay? Apart from the VERY OBVIOIUS brinkmanship that goes on at every other club and business around the world, why would Arsene lie if he intended to sell before the season started?

    Of course you cannot answer that because your aim is not to have a rational discussion it is to prove that Arsene Wenger has not got a clue but you know all the answers.
  • MeanLean
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    PS - I am sure there is space for an extra fan at Manchester United. You should go for it.
  • Spectrum
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    Mean Lean - As I said, try reading blogs social media such as Twitter, Facebook e.t.c, and you'll get a feel for the mood. Strangely, you don't seem all that outraged that we're losing him to our antagonist, ( and improving their prospects in the process ), and the dubious circumstance surrounding it. I would say that definitely puts you in the minority.

    And I'm referring to Wenger's comments AFTER Robin stated that he actually intended to leave. Which was much more recently. Did he ( Wenger ) not say that Robin would not be sold, AFTER hearing (officially ) that Robin wanted out ? Yes he did. Then we hear that not only has a deal been done, but with our rival ! And Wenger gives the weak excuse that "he had no choice". Well he certainly could have made the choice to NOT sell to United, or any of our OTHER domestic rivals, could he not ? And you call Robin's behaviour treacherous ?

    And did it occur to you that 90% of my comments are anti - Wenger because about 90% of the issues with the team are to do with him ? This episode being just one more example from an ever growing catalogue. Not as high as 90%, ( as the board must take a share of responsibility ), but certainly a very large percentage. Don't you realise how much power and influence Wenger has been allowed to accumulate at the club, most of it given to him by the board from as a result of his earlier successes up to 2004 ? Not to mention his personal and tactical flaws e.t.c. And you don't think that any of our problems are attributable to him because of these ? Wake up, please !

    And can you now please explain the logic in selling Song when he still has three years ( not one ) left on his contract, if it's not to enhance the balance sheet ? You believe in the manager so wholeheartedly, so that shouldn't be a problem for you, right ?


    "IAWR"
  • craig
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    Quote from Paspartu on RVP from 9th July:
    shut up fools ...robin is a leader ...and he is playing some bad @ss poker with the ownership to protect his teammates and the team he loves and the manager who sees all his players leaving just cause the board aint willing to pay a little bit more for a group of players who have been through constant sh*t the last 6 years...... wait and see....
  • craig
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    ML, its as though you make out Wenger was hiding the truth from everyone to protect the sale of RVP and jack up the fee. Your comments today seem as though this fact was pretty obvious to you but yet only on the 15th you were not stating the deal was done. Perhaps you "believed" le boss like everyone else. Mind you, why wouldn't you? If you cannot believe the one in charge then who can you believe?
  • Shogun  - A letter to SPECTRUM
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    spectrum i see you are back again with your jumbled words and twisted logic, am not surprised though seeing as you seem to derive satisfaction from whenever arsenal are passing through a rough patch. i can also see that others have been trying to enlighten you on economics and common sense....but from the looks of things i would say all their tutoring has made very little or no difference whatsoever, yeah well, my old man -God rest his soul- was used to saying "common sense is not common".

    The last time i came across your comments on this site, it wasn't much different from this current ranting, i so took pity on you that i sent you the very same letter you wrote to rvp; thanking him for his years of service to arsenal and wishing him well in his quest for trophies with a better and more ambitious club than arsenal.... here is a summary spectrum, why don't you just fuckoff to man u and support them, seeing as they have a better everything -so you've commented here time without number? a better manager, better players, better tradition, they are consistent, they are the soul of the league.....etc, just bug off to them, and leave us with our arsenal the way it is, yeah it's not the most perfect, yeah the manager is french and he lies and is doing a terrible job, sure..whatever ,yeah we are a selling club...and so on and so forth...all that is cool with me, because they are my arsenal i would love everything that has to do with the club, it may not always be easy but i will never give up. but with you on the other hand...it is quite clearly turning you into a very bitter person, so here is a kindly advice; go support man u, or city, or even barca...or maybe real, seeing as nothing AW does is ever good enough for you, because accept it or not he's currently the manager of the club, and it surprises me that someone you keep condemning and second guessing on every decision he makes has been a football manager for years -arsenal's for more than 10 yrs- and has even had some success while at it, meanwhile, you self made expert on everything football, everything arsenal, on how to manage a world class club....have not as much as a day's experience on how to run a primary school football team not to talk of a major league football club. and on that note i will say my good byes to you spectrum and hope you would pay attention to this note and do what's best for you and for others that visit this site, but i won,t hold my breathe......

    sincerely yours
    An Arsenal supporter
  • craig
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    where is Paspartu?????

    I'm missing his insightful vision! :lol: :lol:
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