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Written by Mean Lean on Thursday, 20 October 2011 14:35

Having been penned into our half by a fluid, attacking Dortmund team in week one and then viewing the final score when Marseille beat Dortmund to a pulp by three goals to nil in week two, I must admit, I was nervous about our trip to France.

The German champions had most of the possession against Marseille but where taken apart on the counter attack from the speedy and direct Olympique de Marseille.

Victory breeds confidence for Arsenal, and probably more than victory is our players finding their passing rhythm. A rhythm that was reached in parts of the first half against Sunderland at the weekend. It may well have given the team the belief needed to snatch victory in the Vélodrome stadium.

Arsene Wenger's selection threw me the usual curve ball. Gervinho was left on the bench instead of Walcott who has completed more minutes of late than our new attacker. Andrey Arshavin got the start he deserved after his great cameo on the weekend. Unfortunately for the Russian, he reverted back to giving away possession and not quite managing to make the decisive threaded pass.

The first half was fast paced and quick in tempo without many clear chances being fashioned by either side, mainly thanks to excellent defending from both teams.

Arsene clearly learnt from the German's error but shielding his back four and not allowing his team to be opened up by the counter attack. Alex Song, Mikel Arteta and Tomas Rosicky were Wenger's chosen trio to run the game in the middle of the pitch and instead of flooding forward in search of an opening goal, they hung back and protected their goal first and foremost, leaving the offensive part of the game to our front three.

Arsene Wenger has been criticised for being inflexible but his subtle changes are often overlooked. Wenger was being pragmatic as he knew we were in a good position in the group. There was no need to leave ourselves exposed and concede goals. A point would have been enough in France as long as we could get the victory at the Emirates. So there was no need to push forward and force the issue. It was a tactical battle and our opposition did not make it easy for us.

Didier Deschamps instructed his team to press us high and not let us find our passes, Borussia Dortmund had done this to us and it halted our game. The Marseille manager may have had that in mind when setting up his team. However they were not able to press us as convincingly as Dortmund in week one and we passed our way out of the press as the half went on.

Carl Jenkinson deserves big praise for the way he imposed himself in the first 45 minutes, powering forward and supporting our attacks very well, he looked composed overall and probably produced his most assured game since our away game against Udinese.

He was lucky to escape the attention of the officials when a bouncing ball hit against his hand in the penalty area. It was obviously accidental but we have been on the receiving end of those type of decisions that go against you when you least expect it. Marseille got away with an even more obvious penalty area hand ball following an Arsenal attack.

Andre Santos was not having the same affect as Jenkinson on the other side, he seemed to be playing Brazilian roulette with the referee's whistle. After having already seen the referee's card for a body check, Santos continued to make late tackles and also pushed his luck with a handball. Santos has lovely technique and a good passing range but he is not being utilised enough because he doesn't have the fitness or engine of his predecessor.

If Santos was blessed with Jenkinson's engine then you could imagine plenty of goals and assists coming from his left foot. He almost found himself clean through at one stage but Tomas Rosicky delayed his pass too long and the chance was gone. After a shaky first half, he composed himself well in the second half and put in a good display along with the rest of his defenders.

Defensively we had worked very well as a team and it was pleasing to see but our offensive game left me frustrated. With the midfield dropping so deep, van Persie was often left with only his two wide forwards amongst a sea of Marseille defenders and midfielders. This meant that our plan of attack often resulted in the ball being played out on the right to either Jenkinson or Walcott to fire in a low cross into the first defender. This happened time and time again and often Robin van Persie was the only man in the penalty box so he had very little chance of getting on the end of crosses.

Our game is not about crossing into the penalty area, it is about getting our technical players in tight spaces together so we can combine quickly and carve out chances in the penalty area. I would like to see Theo Walcott drive into the box with the ball at his feet without the temptation to cross the ball into areas that we are unlikely to win it. Taking on the full back on the inside rather than the outside would limit the space between the forwards and allow our players to play one-two's in order to find spaces to get a shot away.

Per Mertesacker started the game well making some very important tackles but it was his partner that stole the show as the game continued. Laurent Koscielny may have trouble shaking off unfair tags but his defensive ability is abundantly clear. The cobra's reading of the game is exceptional and his dominance in the air was fantastic.

Our injury issues continue to chase our every move as Carl Jenkinson had to go off with a knee problem which is just typical of our luck. We haven't suffered an injury to any of our right backs for a long while and now in the space of a few weeks our first and second choice right backs are injured. Johan Djourou replaced Jenkinson and had a very good game. He kept his line with his defenders and did not venture too far forward and that helped him.

Theo Walcott had a side footed effort saved by the feet of the keeper and Walcott's second half replacement Gervinho also slipped in van Persie in a similar area to Walcott, the Dutchman also hit the keeper who did well to rush out and narrow the space.

Chances were few and far between but Szczesny hardly had to make a save. That was largely down to our center backs and our midfield trio, all of which were defensively very strong. Alex Song once again showed just how important he is to us both defensively and with his distribution.

Aaron Ramsey had replaced Andrey Arshavin who worked hard but was hugely ineffective. As the time ticked away Johan Djourou floated a ball into the box which was flicked into the path of Aaron Ramsey who had arrived at the far post, he took a touch steadied himself and fired it past the keeper.

We kept it tight, defended well and took our chance in the last minute, a story line that we are used to but one that is usually told by the opposition.

It was not the most entertaining match that we have ever played in Europe but it was a solid team performance and we got the all important three points. Three points that puts us on top of the group with two home games to come against Marseille and Borussia Dortmund.

Man of the match: Laurent Koscielny

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Comments (63)

  • DJ Dragonfly
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    Koscielny was absolutely outstanding. This is coming from someone (as you already know ML) who is not a fan of this player, but you always have to give credit, where credit's due.

    I also thought Jenkinson was solid at right back as well. His crossing is top drawer and he has a very good engine on him. Hopefully he'll recover in time for the game against Stoke on Sunday.

    I'm still not happy with Arteta playing too far deep with Song playing more advanced as Mikel's distribution is far superior to Alex Song.

    1-0 to the Arsenal. it doesn't get better than that :)
  • Northbanksy
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    No complaints here. Away from home they did the job.
  • Akintola  - Engr
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    good write up. gooners 4 life
  • Spectrum
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    Pleased with the win, but Mean Lean - spare the exuberance, will you ? "Pragmatic Wenger masterminds Gunners victory." Even if that were true, which I don't agree - you applaud him for finally getting it right after all his previous neglect ?

    This is what I mean by A.K.B.'s not keeping things in their proper perspective. You seize on ONE match where Wenger has ( supposedly ) shown some tactical intelligence for a change, but are strangely silent on all the other fiascos he's been responsible for. Let's see if he can SUSTAIN this mental aberration long enough to win us the league. Then I would be convinced he's a changed man. Whoops, I forgot. It's too late for that. He's ensured that our season is over already. He said that himself.

    But a couple more wins will have him and you,thinking we have the "mental strength" to contradict what he just said. Wait for the "I BELIEVE we can still turn this around, it is still mathematically possible"," Our team spirit can see us through" e.t.c. blah blah. We have heard it all before.
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  • g clarke  - long way to go
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    not playing well yet still winning which is annoying to some
  • gary
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    Makes me laugh as some gooners (and the comment above) now seem to believe that we should be winning the league and if not then wenger must be shit and has to go...Premier league has changed big time in the last 10 years and we are never going to be able to compete with chelsea, Man u and shitty cause its all about money..our aim was to move to the Emirates and financially compete but CFC and Shitty raised the bar to an impossible level...And does anyone really think that by getting a new manager we will suddenly be spending 30 mill on a player is just wrong
  • gary
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    The comment above (meaning Spectrum's comment)
  • pedantic george
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    Take no notice of Spectrum ,he is a thick as fuck.Really.

    Arshavin gives the ball away and loses possession when he is trying to be creative and make things happen(that is his job in my opinion)He can retain possession when he set out to ,because he is a world class player.
  • Spectrum
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    O.K. How many of you agree or disagree with this ? And this was on a normally pro Wenger website........

    http://www.thegunninghawk.com/2011/10/07/erik-ian-larsen-im-not- really-sure-what-arsene-wenger-is-doing-anymore/

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  • Spectrum
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    gary - http://twitter.com/#!/Darren_Can/status/121943469529894912

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  • Tony Thomas
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    Good write up.

    On the whole a pretty good performance considering the state of the teams confidence lately. Arshavin and Walcott were really disappointing. I think Mr Wenger needs to play Walcott down the middle sooner rather than later. Perhaps a return to 4.4.2. Is the answer. We need to get people beyond RVP occasionally, and as you suggest get Arteta playing in the opponents half.
  • pedantic george
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    Larsen is as stupid as you.Spunktrum
    How many agree with that?
  • Passenal
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    "Mikel's distribution is far superior to Alex Song."

    Where is the evidence for this? Arteta has shown nothing to suggest that he could be the creative fulcrum of our team. He is a good solid midfielder who can tackle and pass, but I have yet to see him show the ability to make the kind of pass which Song made for AOC to score against Olympiakos.
  • Willy young
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    Arshavin World class hello real world he is fat lazy and crap please go now

    A better performance Kos and Ze German looked good but we lack real quality in final 3rd. Jack would help that but please can we find another real creative star
  • pedantic george
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    how thick are you?
  • Man United Killer
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    Pragmatic Wenger masterminds Gunners victory?Mean Lean the DREAMER!
  • Man United Killer
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    Jenkinson's crossing is top draw???Hahaha...now tell me this is a joke.Compare his crosses with those of Rafael and Fabio of Manchester United.And please whatever you do, dont come back to say they are 2 years older than he is.He might have a good engine-that is for sure but he certainly not a good crosser of the ball.
  • MeanLean
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    How so?

    Wenger made his midfield sit deep, our goalkeeper had little to do and we won late. Who was responsible for that? Or is it when we lose that Wenger is responsible?

    Man U and Chelsea have only managed draws in Marseille in recent seasons. I think Wenger was spot on. Top of the group two home games to come.

    You may find it tricky to blame Arsene this week I'm afraid.
  • Man United Killer  - Very well said
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    Spot Spectrum.Wenger is indeed a joke!Away with him.I cant wait to see the back of the man.The tile of this article defies belief."Pragmatic Wenger" my left foot.The man is done and dusted.You know what is funny though? AKBs only need one game to start running their mouth about how good this player is and how "pragmatic" Wenger is.By the time they realize that he is anything but "pragmatic" we will be struggling to make top 8. I still cant believe ML would write an article with a title like this.I shows clearly that he is indeed a blind follower of Wenger- Not Arsenal which is acceptable.We are supposed to support our club blindly-NOT the Manager. At the very least the title of this article is a true reflection of someone living on fantasies.Terrible title and article IMO.
  • Man United Killer
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    No one is saying Wenger is shit because he is not winning the league.He is tactically shit anyways.
  • Man United Killer
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    Usually for CL matches I am on the edge of my seat and a last minute winner would have me leaping around the sitting room upsetting the wife and the dog. Not this time though as I know we are so far away from being a serious contender for the CL that I simply can not take us seriously any more in this competition. We are a very average team with a manager that is way past his sell by date and too many players that are not good enough. Take RVP out of the equation and who have we got up front with any quality? Answer obviously nobody. In midfield Arshavin should either be given a chance playing behind RVP or sold and the same goes for Walcott. Our crazy, clueless manager will no doubt continue in his own stubborn way and keep the Ox out of the first team when he should be given more of a chance. In fact there are so many things wrong with the squad / tactics I can't be bothered to list them all. Depressing times and scrappy wins against poor opposition can not hide the truth that we are awful.
  • Man United Killer
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    Whatever ML.We were playing against a team who are 15 in the Ligue1.I am not sure what you are driving at.Let's win some games against real tough opposition and then you can start talking.Do you always have to make a mountain out of a mole when it comes to Wenger?
  • Man United Killer
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    a decent result against a poor team. Arshavin is awful rosicky the master at running around alot and not realy contributing to the team ,is it wrong to expect more from two established international captains? perhaps they should take an example from jenkinson half the footballing ability of arshavin and rosicky but one hundred per cent more effort and comitment
  • luis zelaya
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    I can see us going a bit further in the champions league, we have a very good goalkeeper and a very good striker. that's how we made the final in 2005. our team was a hospital as well. but i do agree with the sentiment of many that the burden up front should be shared, and not rely solely on van persie. ox or walcott next to him. i'd put my money on ox, he's the better footballer. I do know this much: we will never be Barcelona. we are something else, not worse just different. Our best arsenal was strong, fast, direct. we need more of that. there is real quality in the team, we are just misguided. A revert to a 4 4 2 seems to me the wiser option.
  • Man United Killer
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    Luiz...Interesting points...do you care to elaborate on your comment "...we are just misguided"?
  • pizzy05  - Purleeeazzz
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    Speccie, cut ML some slack. the title is appropriate, despite your dislike for Wenger's style. Wenger was pragmatic enough to restrain his usually adventurous midfielders and full backs from flying all over the pitch and maintain shape. that should count for something, right?
  • pizzy05
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    Plus, Speccie, I'm comfortable with most of Arsene's action, inactions and tactics(not all, though). I guess that should make me an AKB in your nomenclature, right?
    Why I'm different is that I try to analyse and critique every move of le Boss, looking to see how much it favours my beloved club.
  • Spectrum
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    pizzy05 - Have you also considered that for once, he may have swallowed his pride, and decided to listen to one of his coach's advice for a change ? Perhaps Pat Rice talked him into experimenting with a couple of things ? Now Wenger has gingerly dipped his toe in the water, he may find it within himself to listen more OFTEN. We can only hope he does.
    All this is conjecture, though. I won't be the least surprised if he returns to his idiosyncratic ways against Stoke.
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  • Spectrum
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    Man United Killer - "No one is saying Wenger is shit because he is not winning the league.He is tactically shit anyways."

    Bingo, lad ! You beat me to it.

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  • Spectrum
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    He said: “We don’t have a salary ceiling. I don’t know where that story comes from. We have a very sophisticated business model that looks at what we need to do to compete today and what we need to do to compete next year and five years from now. I’m comfortable we will be able to be competitive in whatever environment is created. Ivan Gazidis, 6th October 2011.

    “We don’t have a salary ceiling. I don’t know where that story comes from." - I think it came from richie, Mean Lean and friends.

    For those who missed it, more on the salary issue, our flawed wage parity system, e.t.c. here ; http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/10/19/2717231/ cash-rich-arsenal-can-afford-to-give-robin-van-persie-the-200000-

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  • Spectrum
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    pedantic george - "How many agree with that?" I had a funny feeling you wouldn't be one of them, george.

    Assuming you read it, what parts don't you agree with ? Probably the bits between the first sentence and the last, yeah ? Not a morsel of truth or sense in it anywhere, hmmm ?
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  • Spectrum
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    Passenal - Arteta strikes me as being a hard worker, who keeps the ball moving, and is competent defensively.Solid and unspectacular. He tends to stay deep. Maybe that's his natural instinct. He can play as a defensive midfielder, and that could be the best position for him, should Wenger be bold enough to change to two of them.
    I suspect he was a rushed buy to placate the fans, despite him having been followed for a while. We could have done much better. He won't provide the creative bite that we need, and Wenger must surely have realised this by now. Jack the lad is our best attack minded midfielder, but he is also MISUSED. Wenger has said he likes him playing deep, too. But I think we can all see that he's better UP the pitch. If some of our players were played in their optimum positions, think how much better we could be. We've discussed this over and over, but we never see the benefits this could bring.

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  • Spectrum
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    Man United Killer - Ha - ha. I had to laugh at this line ; "Do you always have to make a mountain out of a mole when it comes to Wenger?"

    "Out of a mole" ? I've heard Le Senile called many things, but not a mole. Was that a slip of the tongue, or deliberate, Killer ? ( You devil, you ). :wink:

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  • pika
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    even if say we could afford the wages that city offers ...why should we pay it?

    have you not realised that this club does not want to buy success?

    hehe...obviously not :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    keep bashing you troll :lol: :lol: it just makes my day watching you trying to find an angle to attack wenger and the club
  • Feeno
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    we've had the full gambit of excuses from these tow jokers the day have we not???

    he cant claim credit for tactics cos he should have dont it before, it was propbaly an assistant who done it anyway, marseille are 15th in their league.

    Couple of stupid idiots to daft to admit when there wrong actually wont enjoy a win, what the point then.

    Oh you have high standards speccie we have to win 5 nil and spend 30 mins doing ole passes. you have no clue about how football works and just run your shitty wee mouth off with cliche after cliche and links to blogs that are so overly agenda laden its criminally funny.
  • Spectrum
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    Killer - You display in your post what the A.K.B.'s lack - context and perspective ( not to mention insight ). They're so desperate for their failed "leader" ( and I use the term loosely ), to restore us to our former glories, that the slightest glimpse of him actually exercising his brain cells, makes them ecstatic. Hence we have the term "masterminds" from Mean Lean. Does it take a mastermind to do what any coach worth his salt should be doing as a matter of course ? Honestly, he could gain more strategic knowledge from reading the supporters' opinions, than relying on his own primitive judgement.

    How many times does he fail to do the bleedin' obvious ? The things that are common sense - even to non football people like us ? He should accept a pay cut if he intends to see out his contract. And to think we may have to put up with three more years of this charade !

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  • richie  - Spectrum Spud Spurious Spreader
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    Don't attemp to miss-quote me I've never once mentioned salary ceiling
    I only know what everybody at Arsenal and all those who follow the machinations of our board room know. We have to sell players before we can buy players because all wages have to come from our ticket sales budget, that obviously acts as a massive barrier to bringing in proven talent because proven talent wants big money unsurprisingly.
    But I'm not a Chelski or Citeh wanna be, I don't spend my time wishing for what others have got. I like it that we do thinks in a different way.
  • richie
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    Hold up MUK we were 15th only 2 games ago. Marseille will finish the season in the top quarter for sure, not only that but they are a big club they might've bought the title (The infamous Bernard Tapie affair) but they've won the big eared cup before. They ain't a rubbish team.
  • Spectrum
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    pika - "even if say we could afford the wages that city offers ...why should we pay it? "

    If we COULD afford it ( and we CAN - up to a point ), then that is what we must do to attract the calibre of player we need to Arsenal. City, Chelsea e.t.c. know this. Players ARE greedy in today's modern footballing world. We can moan all we want about it, but that is the reality of it. Money is a higher priority for most of them than club loyalty. ( RVP being a notable exception ).

    Whether we like it or not, players will gravitate to those who will pay them the most. The top teams therefore will have the best players along with a competent manager to get the best from them. We have neither. Yet we CAN and should be competing to a higher level than we have been doing.The board's wages policy is stifling and restricting us unnecessarily. Kroenke won't put money in, Wenger won't spend the money he has. To a large extent, the financial problems are of our own making. We need to be more efficient and smart in our use of them. The articles I have linked you all to, attempt to explain how this can be done, and why it currently ISN'T being done.

    If you took the time to read and digest them, instead of merely scoffing, you might learn something.

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  • Anonymous
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    When exactly did you see that Wilshere is better up the pitch than in a deep role?Jack is developing into a total midfielder; his ball control,vision,passing,tackling,stamina fight and physical strength are the traits you look for in a deep lying playmaker. I'm not sure if he is better in that deep role or further forward but I've seen him in the former regularly and he always impresses. It's hard to say right now if he can play those through balls of a genuine CAM, Wenger sees him in training and maybe it's something he lacks.

    I always thought Ramsey was more suited to the CAM role as he can play those through balls and right now has the ability to score goals which Jack doesn't. Ramsey has been off form so far this season but 2 excellent games for wales may have been the start of a good run for him.

    Rosicky seems to have remembered how to play football which is a huge plus. 30 league games left,top of our Ch. lg. group and still in the cups this season can still be a success. When do I see us winning the prem and Champs lg? probably 2015 when we can match(or compare to) the financial muscle of Liverpool and ManU.This is a money game now and a clubs spending dictates success.Our commercial income is half that of ManU and we are tied down to sponsors until 2014.
  • Spectrum
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    Feeno - Those aren't the sort of standards I was referring to. As A.K.B.'s always do, you take things to the extreme. By standards, I mean making better use of the resources we've got, both on and off the pitch. Having and setting realistic and achievable goals, having a sense of pride in our team ( which has been missing since Wenger's decline accellerated ), seeing our team managed competently ( a given ), restoring our ambition to win things - and not resigning ourselves to accepting mediocrity, having a team that plays as a fluid and dynamic unit ( that part gets back to the manager again ),that puts in effort ( unlike last season ), e.t.c. e.t.c

    And very importantly - being HONEST with ourselves. Calling a spade a spade. Not papering over the cracks at the club, and pretending we're going along just fine, when blind Freddy can see we're not.

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  • Feeno
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    you talk shit mate, that stuffs allready there, you choose to ignore it to further your wee campaign of hate.

    Now I knwo you must be at the wind up with taking it to the extreme becasue that all i see from you.

    All of this is pish pal utter pish. You're in a fantasy land
  • richie  - Muk-in about in the middle
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    I agree Shava ain't doing nothing for us at the moment in fact unfortunately for us he looks shot. A few camio dribbles with no end product is all we get from him these days and he doesn't stop giving the ball away. He himself says he's frustrated with his own game, so I'm not at all sure he's deserving of a spot, but then again with injuries looming large yet again you might even get a call up. :D

    At least you'd probably give it a good go. At the very least you wouldn't do a Grobbelaar remember he was nicked for betting against his own team. And due to a GK fumble Liverpool lost???? Thats why I know your mate Spectrum wouldn't get a game even if he was the last man standing. Only Pat Jennings and Sol Campbell have crossed over in the modern era. :D
  • Spectrum
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    pizzy05 - I don't classify you as being in the A.K.B. category ( not yet anyway ).You've not shown the familiar defence mechanisms that they cling to when anyone questions their Great Leader. Or the almost psychotic tenaciousness that pika exhibits. No, indeed, I consider you to be one of the moderates.

    At least you sound like you're open to persuasion.Perhaps with time, your perceptions may alter. Though I don't think being self satisfied has got us anywhere over the last seven years has it ? At what stage would you consider Wenger to be past it ? You've read the papers, the blogs, heard the debates going on about the state of the club, followed the events closely. Yet you're still not convinced ? I suggest you look deeper and more closely.

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  • Spectrum
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    Anonymous - It's quite ironic and revealing that you see us probably winning the league and Champions' League in 2015. Coincidentally Wenger's contract ends the year before, and he'll presumably be gone. Is your subconscious trying to tell you something ?
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  • Spectrum
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    richie - You're as self satisfied as pizzy05 then. Seems a defeatist outlook. Lost all the passion, don't expect to win trophies anymore ? We shouldn't try to change this, just accept that "that's the way we do things ".
    When did the dream die for you ? Me ? About seven years ago.

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  • Man United Killer  - where did my 'hill' go
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    Spectrum..LOL..I meant to say molehill..ha. :D
  • Block 4
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    Spectrum
    Been reading your stuff above. Who would you replace wenger with? It's all very well wanting the man out, but getting a replacement that's going to satisfy people with your viewpoint isn't going to be easy. Who ever came in would have to deal with a board that is not willing to spend money on the scale required to put us on a par with Utd, Citeh and Chelsea. I seem to remember Charlton fans a few years ago moaning that Alan Curbishley had taken them as far as he could after finishing in the top half of the premiership for a few years on the spin. He left and look where they are now. Im not comparing us to Charlton, all im saying is be careful what you wish for there are plenty of managers out there who can take you down the leagues.
  • pizzy_05  - Speccie, your game isn't fair
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    Erm, I detest being wrongly categorized as per my loyalties to my beloved club and the Man in charge. Though I hate your signature line, I did not judge or categorize you. please note that.Unto your earlier poser, I respect Wenger as a man, and as a hardworking coach. His efforts post-2005 have been commendable, if not praiseworthy. At least he kept Arsenal competitive, only his efforts have not been rewarded with the elusive trophy. Is there something he should have done that he didn't do? yes, most definitely. does that mean he's past it? No, he just needs to be self critical and improve on his work ethic and methods. I see people like you who are calling for his head, and those who defend all his methods as the same; you're both not helping him and the club. both of you guys are still better than the dogmatic gloryseekers though
  • jgunz  - club needs to change focus
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    as much as wenger tactics do annoy me sometimes, this was a solid performance from his team.
    we wont be winning the league unless the manchester clubs go mad... so we will be going for forth place as expected.
    We arsenal fans (not spud spectrum) need to be realistic without wenger we would be in a worse position because it is the arsenal board who refuse to spend money not wenger, when have you ever seen any of them put their hand in their pocket to buy a player?half the board should be replaced with ex arsenal profeesionals like paul davis,martin keown,Patick vieira, and lee dixon as they would be lobby for on-field success rather than commercial success.
    until the focus of our club changes to buying at least one marque player once every two-three seasons the big spenders of manu/mancity/and chealsea will continue to leave us fighting for 4th.
    (by marquee i mean 1. a player of ashley coles quality to play Lb.
    2. a player of fabregas/sneijders/hazards quality to play Cam.
    3.a player of berbatov/owen's quality to play cf when vanpersie needs a rest.
  • pika
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    calling a spud a spud ??? ...hahahahahha

    you got that right at least :lol: :lol:
  • pika
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    you havent answered the question though ...youre just pussyfooting about.

    the question is pretty simple ..even if say we got it ..WHY should we spend it?

    you havent replied..youre only saying that we should.

    well....why should we? give us a few reasons so that we value your argumentative process...pmsl.. :lol: :lol:

    then you go off talking about how mercenaries manouvre in pro foootball...lol...
  • pizzy_05
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    Jguns, i agree with you 99%. The only reason you do not have 100% is because, like Wenger, I'm stingy!!!
  • richie  - I have a dream
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    I feel the dream died a lot longer than 7 stretch ago for you. It probably died somewhere in between Hoddle Santini Jol Allen & Ramos. While Arsene was winning doubles and championships undeafeated.
    Unlike you I still have a dream!

    Delusions of grandure or what? What does a misguided pleb think they can acheive by slagging off the club. AW is my clubs most successful manager full stop! Our board is our board like it or not its the Arsenal board. Like it or not the Emirates is our stadium. Like it or not Kroenke is the owner of Arsenal and he's the man who desides if we buy a player for a lump or not, he desides if we can pay that players wages or not. Those are the facts! Never mind what the papers say or the even far less important bods who dance at le grove.

    I've been to the mountain top and I've seen the other side, my dream is for Arsenal to win the league again without the help of a sugar daddy. I saw old big head win the big eared cup twice with a bunch of nobodies so I know it can be done.That way when we win it again it will make the victory all the sweeter knowing we did things our way.
  • richie  - Line up for the Ditty you deserve
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    P.S. As everyone can see Spectrum continues with his pathetic little ditty so entering into that same pathetic spirit I will address him in kind,
    No point asking in him Are You A Spud In Disguise? Far better to give him the credit he's due and apply to him and his posts the obvious responce he deserves You Are A Spud In Disguise "YAASID"
  • richie  - Spot on with your Curbs Charlton comment
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    Block 4 I know exactly where your coming from but don't bother the Sectrum Spud attempted to answer that question once before, with a list of replacements which read like the list of all the previous Chelsea coaches bar one since Abromovitch took over, he threw in a couple of others who were very much in the George Graham disciplinarian mode convieniently forgretting of course that GG was the ach type Scotsman who wouldn't ever part with cash.
  • Spectrum
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    pika - The answer was in the first sentence of my post -" If we COULD afford it ( and we CAN - up to a point ), then that is what we must do to attract the calibre of player we need to Arsenal."

    We don't have the money City and Chelsea have available. But we're not exactly broke either. If we were on the same level playing field, then wouldn't you like to see us spend like they do, so that we can have the same chance of success as them ? Couldn't the club still maintain its self sustaining policy, but at the same time, welcome or invite a billionaire onto the board who would be prepared to fund some big signings for us ? Usmanov springs to mid, but there are others out there who must be interested in a well run club like ours, to take us to the next level.

    But before this could work, we'd need a manager who can maximise the team's abilities. We don't have that currently.
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  • Spectrum
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    jgunz - We have had enough money to buy at least one BIG name signing for EACH of the last few seasons. A steady building and improvement in the quality of the team, could well have paid dividends by now. If we had done this, we also would almost certainly not have lost our most creative player in Fabregas. Because he would have seen that we were serious about building a team that could actually go further than the top 4 every year. We lost him, and Nasri and Clichy, ALL because they wanted to win trophies. And now there's a strong likelihood that we'll lose our best remaining player and captain - Van Persie - as well, for the same reason.

    This is negligence on the part of Wenger. He should be steadily BUILDING the team, not allowing it dissolve.The result is the average team we have now.
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  • Spectrum
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    Block 4 - I'm not guaranteeing success if we got rid of Wenger. No-one can guarantee success. But simply the fact of a new man coming in would boost morale, and cause a buzz of enthusiasm and excitement around the place, which could transfer on to the team performances. We'd have a more tactically minded person, who would be more prepared to listen to advice than Wenger.( Have you known any one else to be as stubborn and inflexible as him ) ?
    The thing that stops A.K.B.'s trying something new is FEAR. Fear of the unknown. The old saying is "Nothing ventured, nothing gained." And you A.K.B.'s say I'M negative ! Why don't you all try being positive, and embrace change ? All too scary, eh ?
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  • pika
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    youre still not answering mate !

    i asked you WHY ...and all you say is that we "SHOULD"

    well.....why should we ?

    this is the third time you fail to provide a clear answer........
  • pika
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    no we dont.

    the last few seasons and the next few seasons arsenal was /is/will be still in repayment mode

    lol..u put too much emphasis on cesc nasri and clichy ...who cares? the club can continue even without them. there is no problem.

    i thought you were preaching noone bigger than the club with regards to wenger...yet youre crying over three players who none of them had the balls to carry arsenal when the ball weighed in tonnes....lol..youre just a pathetic troll and i love busting you 8)
  • Spectrum
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    Man United Killer - Guess he doesn't. Maybe he's too embarassed to explain.
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  • Spectrum
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    pika - Can't you understand plain English ? Read my lips ; ( quote ) " to attract the calibre of player we need to Arsenal."

    In case you missed it here it is again ; " to attract the calibre of player we need to Arsenal." Are we CLEAR now ? If not, go see richie, he's a former schoolteacher.
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