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Written by Mean Lean on Monday, 23 January 2012 06:55
Manchester United were the better team overall and they deserved their victory and once again we showed that without our full backs our game is not effective enough. We have managed to get away with it in certain home games like QPR and Leeds United but against a better side we struggled to enforce our game on the opposition.
As I suspected, Johan Djourou was targeted by Nani and he struggled to deal with him all throughout the first 45 minutes. His half time withdrawal was down to a hamstring strain according to Arsene but something is niggling at the back of my mind that Arsene is just protecting his player and his withdrawl was down to his weakness on the day. I could be wrong but that is how it seemed.
It is not Djourou's fault, he is not a full back, not built like a full back and does not have any of the strengths required to play that position in big games. He came to the club as a defensive midfielder and was moved back as a central defender. Thomas Vermaelen on the opposite site is more mobile, quicker and can defend well as a left back but he is not a player that helps our game going forward in that position.
Only three players contributed positively to our first half, they were Laurent Koscielny, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Tomas Rosicky. That isn't enough to dominate and beat Manchester United.
Manchester United were forcing the issue but could not find the breakthrough until the stroke of half time. Giggs had all the time in the world to deliver his cross onto the head of Valencia at the far post. You would think that a player like Bacary Sagna would have been running alongside Giggs and would have either made a clean challenge or blocked his cross.
Youngster Nico Yennaris had replaced Johan Djourou for the second half and he once again looked assured. Manchester United caused us far less problems on that side of the pitch during the second half. I have said this before but there is an argument for selecting youth over experience if that youth allows you to keep a more natural shape. Yennaris may not be experienced in big games or even Premier League games but at least he has experience of playing at right full back. He is also quick enough to keep up with Nani which Djourou was not.
Theo Walcott and Aaron Ramsey are off their games right now. Especially Walcott who found making simple passes difficult, he lost the ball when he attempted a dribble and he just simply did not cause the opposition any problems.
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain looks the real deal going forward, he could have helped Djourou more defensively at times but going forward he was our brightest player. He set up Walcott in the first half and also fashioned a chance for Ramsey who shot over from inside the box.
Robin van Persie had a Mertesacker moment when Smalling had slipped over and Rosicky raced through on goal, he unselfishly squared for van Persie who steadied himself on his stronger left foot and blazed wide with the goal gaping. We have had a habit of missing easy chances over the last few months and that side of our game has to improve. It seems ridiculous criticising van Persie for missing chances but even the great man has failed to convert some simple chances of late.
United could have killed off this end to end battle when Welbeck raced past Mertesacker and squeezed in his shot past Szczesny but the big German got back and cleared off the line in the nick of time.
The game was end to end as Manchester United looked to finish the match while Arsenal were pushing to level. We found the equaliser with twenty minutes to go. Laurent Koscielny who I now regard as the best natural defender at the club, won a tackle inside his penalty box like only he can. Clean, deadly and efficiently. His pass found Tomas Rosicky in space and he floated a cross-field pass into the stride of the impressive Oxlade-Chamberlain who cut inside and played a perfectly timed reverse pass into the stride of van Persie and the Dutchman's first time strike into the corner of the net was what we have come to expect from the best striker in the league.
1-1 and we had improved our game, it was yet another chance to step up and go and win the game, or at least it should have been as it should have been when we scored at Fulham and Swansea of late.
Three minutes later came one of the major talking points of the game. From an outside view it seems astonishing that Arsene would replace our best attacking threat on the night, especially as he had a hand in the goal. What we do not have is the facts. Too many people are jumping down the managers throat without knowing his reasons.
Chamberlain had apparently already signaled to the bench to be replaced as he had suffered from sickness over the weekend. Apparently this had also been confirmed by a journalist from the BBC who was close to the bench.
Simply put, I cannot imagine why Arsene would remove his biggest offensive threat if he felt he didn't need to. Arsene has made a name for himself by giving young players a chance and when they perform, he sticks by them. The issue was more that the player coming on was Andrey Arshavin. If Manchester United were causing problems on the flanks then Yossi Benayoun would have been a better replacement defensively but given the swing in the game after the goal, perhaps Arsene wanted to give himself the best chance of winning the game and he see's Arshavin as a more offensive match winner than Benayoun who he classes more as a midfielder.
Fans are entilted to express themselves but the booing would not have helped the team in the slightest and would have been music to the ears of the Manchester United players. Eden Hazard was spotted at the Emirates having used tickets from his former team mate Gervinho. Do you think booing and heckling from the home support would have convinced Hazard that the Emirates was a crowd he would love to play at every other week?
That said, without knowing the reasons for the Chamberlain switch, I was frustrated that we had lost our biggest offensive player while Theo Walcott who was poor stayed on the pitch.
I am already looking forward to watching Chamberlain and Wilshere in the same side, two young gifted footballers who will be on each others wave lengths but we will only see the best of that for next season.
Seven minutes later, Antonio Valencia left Andrey Arshavin for dead and his cut back found Danny Welbeck to fire the away side back ahead. Andrey Arshavin was not convincing enough defensively when it mattered and we paid for it. Park came on for his Premier League debut but we could not create another clear cut chance and the game was over.
Unfortunately for us, the same problems remain. We lack natural full backs, we are lacking goals from everyone apart from the captain. If either Aaron Ramsey or Theo Walcott had stepped up and performed like they can then perhaps we could have taken something from the game but as it was, we didn't have enough to trouble them.
Bacary Sagna, Kieran Gibbs and Mikel Arteta should all be joining the squad soon and that will be huge. If the returning players can hit the ground running then we can make up the points on Chelsea.
Down but not yet out.
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23-Jan-2012 09:55 | | Donovan - Keep the faith
Wilshere, Chamberlain, Arteta, Gibbs, Sagna all to feature in the next few weeks and should make Arsenal a different force. Keep the faith and the there is every possibility that going into the north London derby on the 25th Feb, it will only be a 5-6 pt gap and everything to play for.
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23-Jan-2012 10:08 | | Wenger OUT - The Buffoon
I am so happy everyone can see what a buffoon Wenger is finally. He gets close, with Jack, Le Coq, Frimpong, Nico, The Ox etc and then he shows us what a tactical genius he is. You have the nucleas of a team so build on it. It is like having a Rolls Royce engine and then puting Toyota spare parts on the car. Loved the booing at the ground. Hopefully it destoys Wenger. By the way, the fans have every reason to do what ever they want. There are no rules that state a fan must be a stupid sheep and clap and encourage millionaires who cannot play, cannot manage and do not deserve to be wearing that red shirt. I sometimes wish the Emirates was La Scala opera theatre just to know how many tonnes of rotten tomatoes would have hit the Arsenal dug-out. And we have every right to do that. And the subsitution is more Wenger bullshit - after running 40 metres to thread a glorious ball to VP and being on an adrenaline high the Ox - a 19 year old who has been dying to play and played brilliantly asks to be pulled off? That is what the great con man Wenger wants you to believe. The truth is that Wenger is a tactical buffoon. One minute he makes a brilliant substitution with Nico for Djourou and then the nightmare substitutions. Also the reason he will not buy is not because he has no money but because he has no balls and no courage to carry out his convictions instead blaming the move to Emirates for everything. Sounds more like a CEO of a club to me than a manager.
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23-Jan-2012 10:20 | | Eric - ...
Nice to see someone providing a more balanced view to the game...
It was frustrating and annoying to see ManU exploiting our flanks too well but expected...Chamberlain is an exciting prospect but will need to improve on his defensive discipline and fitness...Walcott seems limited in his arsenal when he is not given space to turn or whatever else...
Arshavin's confidence has slipped away and he is just not the same player anymore...his success/attempts ratio is falling away dramatically ...
TBHonest I expected at most a draw as we just dont have the offensive overlap on the flanks via our LB/RB...I am more interested in how the performance of the team shapes up from now on...I fear a 4th place is slipping away quickly...but we live in hope
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23-Jan-2012 10:21 | | KING of ENGLAND??? - KING OF ENGLAND????
Wenger is not King Of England. He does not have a job for life. Plenty of other great coaches out there. He says he has made over 30,000 substitutions and managed more than 3,000 games and yet he is stupid enought to say he substututed an 18 year old playing his first game for the captain of a national team. Yeah Arsene. Give me the Ox, Frimpong, Nico, Le Coq and Jack and you can have the captain of the world team. He somehow knows more about football than 60,000 die-hard fans and millions more watching on television. Wenger is not King of England but he is a tactical genius...you just knew with that substitution, fans or no fans, that they would cop a goal...brilliant tactics...Fergie congratulates you on your tactical acumen.
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23-Jan-2012 10:57 | | Eric
Didnt Ox ask to be subbed? ...I am just curious because thats what I heard...
I dont know why AW won't buy and it would be interesting to know why as anything else is speculation from us all...
As the someone points out, the substitution and our overall reaction to it is more of indication to the strained relationship between fans and coach/team..a man who was once hailed as revolutionary and tactical genius is now being seen as a buffoon by some (i dont agree but I understand the sentiment).
This was a disappointing game and it may have re-enforced or changed some of our core players as to what happens during the summer (who knows)... In the meantime lets see how the rest of the season shapes up...
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23-Jan-2012 12:28 | | Ray - Faith issue?
About yesterday's game, well am not mad about the result because of the positives,rosicky showing is better equiped to play behind rvp than ramsey especially,in the 2nd half with achange in positions with ramsey,playing nearer to rvp than in the 1st half,kos what hasn't been said about him,is simply the cobra,ox what aplayer we have on our hands technically gifted,intelligent, skilled and just like messi low centre of gravity,imagine an attack involving ox,jack,ryo. About ryo injuries have affected his progress,mean lean your say on some youth being more hungry than the exprienced players and rosicky output in the final third greater than ramsey,aaron has things to work on his indecisiveness on whether to pass or not, ball retention,atouch too many etc.i donot have any bais over him,but is not yet the finished product & since CL is our objective,rosicky should be granted more play time ahead of ramsey if not then we should kiss our dreams goodbye.
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23-Jan-2012 13:20 | | Vuja De
Sports writer Patrick Barclay, in the London Evening Standard:
'Those Arsenal fans who chanted "you don't know what you're doing" at Arsene Wenger should be ashamed. It was the antithesis of support, rude and disrespectful, and exemplified the contemporary nonsense - interactivity gone mad - that the lay masses are equal to the specialist, in this case Arsenal's greatest post-war manager.'
I agree with Patrick Barclay.
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23-Jan-2012 13:45 | | graeme - Wenger does not deserve respect in 2012
Sorry Peter Barclay or Vuja De
Wenger has demanded respect for some years, asking to be trusted and not delivering. As sad as it is to me, I felt a sence of satisfaction and justice when I heard the dissent at Wenger when Ox was subsittuted. It is a culmination of years of Wengers arrogance and vitual disregard to the aspirations of millions of AFC fans. I just wish to remind the Peter Barclays of the world that the mindless masses you refer to are the mindless masses who have obviously mindlessly continued supporting AFC through this barren period and obviously you wish us to pay up and shut up. Er, no, I don't think thats how it works. Wenger clearly thinks he is more important than the club and I have felt for some years now that he is overrated.
The open minded and positive and honest Wenger of a decade no longer exists. Lets carefully establish a better situation for Arsenal.
Wenger wants the media to ask Arshavin why he defended poorly. He misses the point, the media wants to know why Wenger put him on the field at all
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23-Jan-2012 13:55 | | jd - Mounting issues
I feel quite sorry for arshavin but the fact that arshavin is playing badly made him the focal point of the frustrations that arsenal fans are feeling for so many reasons. If wenger is aware of the opinion and attitude of a majority of fans which is that the team is underperforming and requires investment but continues to ignore these frustrations then eventually the fans will hit out. Ticket prices are going up and up and the food and drink in out ground is more expensive than almost anywhere else i the country and fans want to see their money going towards the best players so that we can watch them and celebrate winning again. Its only the clubs money because we give it to them and If wenger wants to completely ignore us when we say how we want it spent the expect a few of us to call him a stubborn ignorant prick every now and then. Its not that I don't love or appreciate what he has done for us in the past its just I have a right to be annoyed once in a while when I feel that he doesn't care what I think.
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23-Jan-2012 14:02 | | CHGooner - Barclay is so wrong
The arrogance that leads to a specialist or 'technician' believing that they cannot be criticised by 'lay people' is the very arrogance that usually leads to their downfall. Barclay has been a Wenger apologist for years and as anybody who saw his embarrasing performance a few months ago on Sky's Sunday Supplement will know, he is an advocate of the 'Wenger should have a job for life' school. When pushed he even said that should include any performance level whatsoever, including relegation. Bonkers and an insult to our football club and fans. Ignore his comments on Wenger and Arsenal they are irrational and completely without merit. Wenger has been protected and cossetted for far too long and quite frankly has got away with tactical incompetence and idiotic comments for far too long. Sunday was a watershed indeed. At last people have said 'enough'. It wasn't about one idiotic substitution in my view, it was about a litany of ridiculous decisions and arrogant comments. He's finished, it is just a question of how long the club drag out the slow painful death.
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23-Jan-2012 14:29 | | henryfan - Many woeful players
It's difficult to choose the worst player on the pitch, and to contend with Arsenal fans who are blind to the glaring deficiencies.
1. Walcott: speed alone gained him a reputation beyond his abilities, and it's clear now, and has been for some time, that he should be in the Championship, or at best an impact sub when legs are tired. NO moves, loses the ball constantly, poor crosses (a slight improvement, but this is not enough at this level, and to challenge for a top four), and poor shooting (he blew his chance yesterday, delivered horrid crosses, lost the ball, and did nothing positive).
2. Ramsay: he is not up to this level of play. He is WAY too slow. Watch the game again. Old man Giggs consistently ran past him like their ages were the reverse. Ramsay has good ball control and dribbling skills, but he CONSTANTLY gives the ball away cheaply, and keepaway is the name of the game here. Barcelona's best defense is their possession, and that is one critical difference: Ramsay constantly gives the ball away cheaply. He cannot run with the ball, because he's too slow; he can't shoot; and his passes are woeful. Wilshere is excellent; Ramsay is not up to it. He is not so young as to be a work in progress either: he will never have the speed and skills required.
3. Djourou: in fairness, he's a central defender out of depth on the wings, but he was woeful.
4. Arshavin: It is astounding that Wenger continues his arrogant, willful blindness! This man is horrible. Horrible. He is worse than poor, he's a liability.
On the positive side, Ox was brilliant, and he proved those of us clamoring for him all year to be right. Vermaelen is just amazing, and if you consider that this was his first game back, all the more so. Van Persie missed a sitter, yes, but still delivered.
We need Demba Ba, we need to play two up front (Van Persie was without support all game long; it doesn't work!), and we need a creative midfielder (Arteta is not only past his prime, but he links up with the backs to move the ball forward, and is thus not far enough forward to open up the defence with passes). Song is increasingly shirking his defensive duties because he is at present our most creative passer of defence-splitting passes. He's a holding middie, so what does that tell you?
Clear out the dead wood now, and OPEN YOUR PURSE you cheap, arrogant, stubborn, blind git!!!!!
Great coach, horrible tactician, and for years now, completely blind to the glaring deficiencies of the team!!!!
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23-Jan-2012 17:03 | | pedantic george - thick posters
why would you come on and comment on a blog if you have not even read it?
The answer is you wouldn't,not unless you are really stupid.
Yet people are still asking why he took off AOC and put on Arshavin.Read the blog you thick fucks
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23-Jan-2012 16:13 | | youarallmad - grahamdegville@tiscali. co.uk
Rambo, The Ox and RVP were the only Arsenal front players playing with the passion of Welbeck, Valencia, Giggs etc. They ran themselves into the ground whilst the others farted about. Three Rambos would have got us a victory yesterday and one day when you see Rambo, Jack and the Coq or Frimp playing together in the engine room- you will see what passion is- and what it can achieve. Only Rooney wasn't at it yesterday for ManU- the rest of the team supported each other big style. Do Rosicky, Wally, Mert , Arsh and DJ know what closing down and creating pressure is? Till they do- they are useless.
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23-Jan-2012 16:41 | | Gino92 - Analysis of some individual performances
I have just re-watched yesterday's match again and this time, instead of actually watching the game, I was watching individual performances. What stood out for me was the fact that Rosicky was one of our decent performers yesterday along with Ox-Chamb and Koscielny. Yennaris played much better than Djourou has in the last 5 or 6 matches combined. He should get the starting position next game if Sagna doesn't make it. Djourou seems to forget that he is playing as a Right-back instead of a Center-back. He always ends up in the middle and leaves acres of space down the right. In this particular case, Mean Lean is correct. It is best for us to go with "experienced in position" instead of "experienced player". Koscielny was fantastic and has been all season long. He has redeemed himself tenfold since his fuck-up last year in the Carling Cup. I am eagerly anticipating his renewed partnership with Vermaelen in the middle of our defense. Walcott was useless. He should be watching the Ox more in
training. He is much better as a supersub. Booing Arshavin onto the pitch was just wrong. That would surely not have done his confidence any good at all, and it was already on very shaky grounds. I can understand (though not in favor of it) booing a player OFF the pitch due to poor performance, but booing him onto the pitch, when he has yet to kick the ball??? What if he had gone on to score a couple of goals and won us the match, would he have been hailed as a hero? The same player being booed ON a few minutes earlier as a goat? I did not agree with the substitution but I feel sorry for Arshavin. I guess he only has himself to blame, right? Anyway, he won't be at the Club much longer. One lad who will be there for a while is Aaron Ramsey. He was not very good yesterday. In fact, he hasn't been good for a long while now. It could be fatigue or it could be lingering effects from his horrible leg break, but he is not the same Ramsey pre-injury. The Ramsey who used to pop up here and there to score good goals, the one who used to play quick one-twos. The new version is way too slow, both physically and in his decision-making. If you don't believe me, watch the game again and you will see what I mean. Or watch any of the last few games, especially when we are on the counter-attack. He rivals Arshavin in giving the ball away too cheaply (this is starting to rub off on Song, which is troubling), slows down trying to trick or beat his marker needlessly, and has zero confidence in front of goal right now. He needs to put a couple of shots in and maybe that will hopefully unlock the goal mystery for him. He sure does find himself with plenty of chances in great positions though... Eagerly awaiting Wishere's return. In the meantime, Rosicky should start ahead of Ramsey because he provides much better support to RVP in the final third than Ramsey and doesn't dwell on the ball too long.
Anyway, as painful as it was for me to watch this defeat over again, this is what I got from the game yesterday. I am not a manager, I am not a pundit, I am not an expert. I am just a fan who loves the game and loves Arsenal FC so much so that my entire day gets ruined whenever we lose in a very pathetic manner. It usually takes me 3-4 days to get over these losses. I don't mind losing at all, I just hate losing the way we have lost our last 3 games plus the draw against Wolves, the way we lost at Newcastle last season, the way we've been losing to lowly Spuds lately.
Hope you all have a great week.
And bring on Aston Villa! COYG!!!
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23-Jan-2012 17:17 | | dkgooner - The fat lady hasn't sung yet
Good blog ML - and nice to read from other comments that I'm not the only one who thinks Walcott is way, way, overrated. But I'm not going to get going on that again, except to say that Walcott was playing on the right and he gave Djourou no support at all - Nani and Evra were given free passage.
So - we move on. Wenger is the manager and has said that he would see non-qualification for the CL as a failure, so let's hope he does what's necessary to get at least that. We have to take the positives out of yesterday - Chamberlain, Yennaris, Koscielny, RVP mainly, but, despite the first MU goal, TV is back and fit and Mertesacker may be a bit slow, but he's solid and doesn't make the sort of defensive blunders that Squillaci does. With Arteta and Henry back hopefully next week - maybe Coquelin too, we ought to have too much for Villa and our next 3 PL opponents. We need to get that run going again.
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23-Jan-2012 17:21 | | dkgooner - Lost at Newcastle last season?
Well, it may have felt like a loss after going 4-0 up, but I think we drew.
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23-Jan-2012 17:25 | | sircozy - Details
“If you expect me to blame one
player, it will not happen,” he
said. “We win together and lose
together. If I make a mistake I
am sorry.
“It [the mistake by Arshavin]
could have happened as well if
he [Oxlade-Chamberlain] had
stayed on. Manchester United
are very dangerous on the
flanks.”
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23-Jan-2012 20:46 | | Podge
Im just going to assume you have no idea about Arsenal's financial situation and that you are an absolute plank that thinks spending 100m will solve every problem(on a global scale, that mentality has effectively destroyed capitalism).
I'l bet you were crying out for us to buy Arshavin and were disappointed we didn't spend twice as mush on him 6 months earlier.
Instead of blaming Wenger why not give a little credit to Ferguson who saw that Arsenal took a risk in bringing on Arshavin(potential matchwinner) and adjusted his team accordingly subbing the sub so Valencia was Arshavins man and duly set up Utds winner.
Utd had an advantage from the start as they focus on wide play and we had no natural full backs. It was a close game and tactically one of the most interesting games I have seen in years the midfield battle was far less important than most games when Carrick or Giggs got on the ball the first move was go wide.For Arsenal it was hold the ball wait for a runner which once Kos was given the duty in the second half Arsenal took control for a period Alex Song usually does this but he was on defensive detail for 90mins which he did a fantastic job of and should be mentioned.
The lack of full backs keeps our wingers from taking up central positions and this has stopped them scoring and I think is affecting confidence of Walcott. It has also lessened RVPs game, he used to be all about bringing wide men into the middle, dropping deep and picking them out in dangerous positions.
Please suggest a tactical change that would improve Arsenal's performance as it seems the only thing you offer is insults.
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23-Jan-2012 20:54 | | Podge
The key point is you haven't supported Arsenal through this barren period. What if Chamberlain had stayed on not tracked back and Utd had still scored that second goal? I'm pretty sure you would have been criticizing Wenger for leaving an 18 to play 90mins when he was visibly tired for the last half hour.
Wenger took a risk on a player who a big proportion of the masses have been calling for to get more game time.Problem is he has to stand by his decisions as the results are recorded you can change your mind every week depending on the result.
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23-Jan-2012 22:55 | | Gino92
dkgooner,
Yep, you are right. It was a draw at Newcastle (4-4) but it sure felt like a loss. A very bitter loss. Thanks for the correction.
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24-Jan-2012 02:49 | | Spectrum
Graeme - Well said. I'd add that not only does Wenger think he's more important than the club, but many so called supporters ( i.e. the A.K.B.'s ) think he is as well.
Their devotion to him has made them lose their sense of perspective. It's as though they're in a trance state, blissfully unaware of the true extent of Wenger's ( and our ) decline. Try as we might, we realists can't shake some sense into them. Only when the master hypnotist himself goes, will they realise how bad things have become, and how long they've been conned.
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24-Jan-2012 11:39 | | Eric - sad state of affairs...methinks..
I am always saddened about the vitriol that supporters point towards their own team especially during a match. It is understandable but deplorable in my opinion. Instead of searching for positives, we tend to go at each other's throats over whether you are on the AKB camp or the AMG camp...Doesnt that make us look pathetic to be so divided ?Yes disagreement is part and parcel of supporting a club but to the extent where there are supposedly 'clear' divisions which personally do not make sense or does not reflect an appreciation of the roles and responsibilities present in a modern football club of Arsenal size, it is quite troubling...
Yes we have tickets (some of us season ones
) and I suppose it entitles us to voice our frustrations and helplessness when the team is not doing well but I personally do not find it constructive for boos to take place DURING the match when you need YOUR players to be full of confidence...I shant debate the substitution as it is well documented and we can agree that it didnt quite work...mistakes happen and the Manager is quite guilty in trying to restore confidence in a player (who clearly needs it along with more game time) who seems to be too far gone in his performance for recovery (some might say) but it is his decision and he is held accountable ...and thats that..let's move on...
I understand the sentiment for transfers to repace some of the underperforming players but negotiating transfers/loans are not v easy..there isnt a supermarket where you just pick players...this is not fifa 12...so it would be nice to see replacement for certain players but if it does not happen ...the players also need to take responsibility for their performances..the board needs to take ownership of the current business model (e.g. wage structure,etc..) and the manager needs to take responsbility (e.g. shakeup of the backroom staff to inject new ideas, player training,etc..) .....Blame can be easily shared round...
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24-Jan-2012 11:44 | | Tony - The Buffoon & Spectrum
Nice article ML.
Now some fools go on and on about how Wenger is the cause of all problems in football worldwide, about his being clueless, some even go as far as contradicting themselves -what else do you expect from a mentally unbalanced prick who calls himself 'The buffon'- by making statement like.."wenger is a tactical buffoon. One minute he makes a brilliant subtitution with nico for djr, and then the nightmare change"..a tactical buffoon that makes brilliant decisions..? And willing to do anything -regardless of how negative its effect on the club just so you get to enjoy being able to show ur displeasure at the manager?..well, well within the range of what to xpect from a buffoon i supose.
And ofcourse Spectrum, i see you came with a bit of a reinforcement..maybe to help rescue us from Wenger induced blindness..from our trance state?
And ur realistic opinions are base on facts? Just like our opinion on, or like you say, "devotion" to wenger is based on -pay attention- well proven facts?
Lets say we debate Facts for facts, why u think Wenger is clueless, the worst coach that ever lived, totally incompetent...and all the other rubish u wank off to ...against why we trance like followers thinks he's a great coach, he's doing his best for the club, and have faith in his abilities to turn things around for the club. What do u think, u up for it? We can find a moderator and judges if u want.
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25-Jan-2012 16:33 | | Podge
Wenger isn't more important than the club but he is the most important part of it right now.I guarantee if he leaves a mass exodus of players will follow.
I don't understand how you can call yourself a realist when you ignore key issues. In 07/08 we were strong title challengers, in that year financial fair play was supposed to take effect however UEFA back peddled and allowed everyone one around us to spend spend spend while we with long term financial commitments and clean financial records got screwed.
What do you make of our full back situation right now from a realist perspective of course?
What is your view on substituting an injured player from a realist perspective of course?
What tactical changes, personnel changes and policy changes would you as a realist make to get Arsenal back winning trophies?
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25-Jan-2012 16:47 | | Podge
eh...?? the call of your section of 'fans' all summer was "why did we spend so much on a kid who wont be anywhere good enough for 5 years?"
You cant hold any credibility if you deny what you said before and claim you said the opposite.
Your knowledge of our midfield players is pathetic Song hasnt been a holding player for a long time he is a typical box-box midfielder Arteta is a deep lying playmaker hence the 'double pivot' people talk about constantly.Yes Ramsey has been poor for a few months but he is a 21 yr old who is playing his first season as a regular starter and he had a huge set back with that terrible injury.
Walcott is a difficult one he often looks poor for us but we are far more dangerous with him on the pitch and his returns in an England shirt are impressive. I wonder if he would look a far better player in a different team.
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26-Jan-2012 11:59 | | Spectrum
Podge - Pay me 7 million a year, and I'll be glad to tell you.
But seriously, all your questions you ask have obvious and basic solutions. Easily fixed, but AW is too obstinate to act, or even take advice.......
Full back ? Get someone in on loan IMMEDIATELY. There is NO excuse for not doing that. There must be one or two players of a reasonable standard SOMEWHERE out there who can fill in until the regulars come back. Why risk losing more precious points, points we need to get into Europe, by leaving ourselves weakened, and forced to play men out of position. It's unnecessary and NEGLIGENT.
By injured player, I take it you mean the Ox ? Well I don't believe Wenger on that. He was covering himself by saying that, just to deflect criticism of his appalling judgment.
Tactics / personnel ? Drop the 4-3-3, or only use it when the situation warrants it. VARY your formation to suit the opposition's likely approach. Don't be so predictable. Try playing counterattack, as we did in the Invincibles era. ( I can't understand why we ever changed it in the first place. ) Make positional changes when and where required. Try playing Arshavin in the hole behind the forward ( s ). Who knows - that may even see him bounce back into form. Try dropping the one dimensional approach we constantly use - i.e. attack. When we're ahead with ten or fiteen minutes left, go defensive, put on an extra defensive midfielder, slow the game down, keep possession and close the game out. Coach the lazy ones into tracking back more, and drop them if they don't. Stop playing favourite players even when they don't justify it. React quicker to opposing coaches tactical changes. Swallow your pride and get a good defensive coach in.
Policy ? Show some SERIOUS ambition, and not simply pay lip service to it. Spend money ( sensibly ) that you have had made available . We have a minimum of 50 mill from last window. Spend ALL of it on a couple of true world class players who can make a real difference. Admit your mistakes and show some humility. Stop spouting bullshit and being in denial.. Stop praising and backing players who continually fail to perform, and stop treating them like they're your own sons. Get tough when needed. Stop blaming everyone and everything when things go wrong. Stop being arrogant and condescending to the fans. Be honest with us. Have the courage to set yourself a minimum target of achievement, and resign if you don't. ( Fifteen years at one club is long enough if you "can't do it " anymore. )
Do all this Wenger, and you'll start to regain respect, the respect you used to have from us, but have now squandered.
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26-Jan-2012 12:26 | | Spectrum
Tony - The facts are self evident. But to see this, you have to be objective. By maintaining that he's STILL a great coach, still thinking he "can turn things around " ( but not prepared to set a deadline to do that, I notice ), and supporting him " doing his best " when ( if that's true ), his best clearly isn't good enough, shows you don't have that objectivity.
A manager is ultimately judged on results. He is no longer capable of getting results ( i.e. winning the things that matter ).The Wenger I loved and respected ( and believe it or not, I DID ) is NOT the same person now. If you analysed his actions and behaviour over the last few seasons, you'd see that. Like all A.K.B.'s you'll defend him based on his past record. Because that's all you can rely on to justify his continued tenure at the club. I and other realists have moved on, but you want to cling to past memories. Time to grow up.
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26-Jan-2012 12:34 | | MeanLean
So what were you doing during the Man U game? Didn't feel like watching?
Can't take you seriously. I convinced myself in the past that you were a Gooner that didn't like Wenger. Now I am convinced that you have a hidden agenda.
What do you gain from spreading misery?
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26-Jan-2012 12:45 | | MeanLean
You are not commenting on blogs to provide balance or rational debate. You want to destabilise the fan base and it is why you are often on blogs who do not exist only to criticise the club.
There is a huge difference between an unhappy supporter and you, you needed to be more subtle and your timing of comments during the Man U game has confirmed my original thoughts of you. I just do not know why you do it.
I am suspicious, massively so.
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26-Jan-2012 13:57 | | Spectrum
My streaming coverage of the game went down temporarily, Mean. So I got off a quick post whilst I waited for it to resume. No "agenda".
I am forthright in my opinions, sure, but I don't apologise for being so. I call it as I see it, and what I see and have been seeing, at the club upsets me. If you think I'm opinionated and / or somewhat aggressive in my views, then you haven't been over to some OTHER blog sites. I'm a positive pussycat compared to some of the posters on there.
When a club you're passionate about is being mismanaged from top to bottom, then I believe I have a duty to speak out. You'll notice I don't swear or use overly personal abuse as some throw at me on here ( i.e. pika, feeno e.t.c. ) Debate is about opposing, sometimes robust views, otherwise this site may as well be set up to be an Arsene Appreciation Society.
Come to think of it......
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27-Jan-2012 07:52 | | Subir Kumar Roy
To cut a long story short the reason this season has to be injuries and lack of full backs. What will it be next season?
I think asking for Wenger to adapt/change as per the stiuation is a crime. Asking to buy or that he be out is a bigger cardinal sin.
In this situation, it is results that would matter. Wins should protect his position, Losses and more of this should suggest that he moved elsewhere.
There was Arsenal before AW, there is Arsenal during AW and there will be Arsenal long after AW.
It is Arsenal FC and not Arsene FC.
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