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Written by TL Gooner on Wednesday, 03 August 2011 18:06

I have great admiration for what Arsene Wenger has done at Arsenal, he has worked wonders and has been one of the best managers the country has ever seen.

I am also not one of the pessimists that throws his toys out of the pram every time something goes wrong at Arsenal and have a go at them all the time.

But I can't help but, for once, go into a new Premier League season with a pessimistic mood about my beloved club. I went to the Emirates Cup at the weekend and watched Arsenal be guilty of the same old mistakes, poor defending from centre halves that are clearly not good enough for the club and dismal defending at set pieces. This has been the problem for ages now and anyone who knows about football can see what's wrong with Arsenal, and what they need to do to improve.

Yet still, after two and a half months of post and pre-season we still haven't sorted those problems out by signing a centre half. We don't even have the excuse of a World Cup or European Championships disrupting our summer plans. Wenger has had nothing to do over those two and a half months other than work on how Arsenal can get better this season. The problem was clear as crystal at the end of last season, so then he should have been strongly thinking about who to get to improve the team and preparing plans for who to bid for. And then in this period from late May to early August he should have been working his socks of to get us a centre half, and actually achieving getting one.

He's too picky with who he signs, he should just go and buy Samba or Jagielka or Cahilll or whoever he thinks we should buy. It's not a big brain buster is it? And it wouldn't be a big risk, it would be a bigger risk not to buy anyone.

It winds me right up that after two and a half months, Arsenal still haven't achieved anything in improving their weaknesses and there's an obvious solution staring them in the face at Blackburn. I'm not saying that Samba will be a guarenteed success and that Arsenal will be invincible if they sign him but, in my opinion, he would improve Arsenal. And now Tottenham have supposedly made a bid for him. If they are to over-take us in the near future it will be because of things like this. Wenger sitting with his thumb up his arse while Arsenal's rivals buy players and, as a result, get better than them because of his refusal to spend money on players. He has got to wake up to the real world and realise that you have to pay more money for really good players than you had to a few years ago. They keep going on about how we are in such a stable financial position and there is money there to spend. Plus we bring in money from players sales every year- Toure and Adebayor for £40 million for example- and yet this money seems to only be spent on new players in little patches.

Liverpool have improved, Man City have improved, Tottenham will improve if they sign Samba and yet Arsenal haven't improved. At least not where they need to anyway. Another solution to solving the set pieces problem would be to apply different tactical methods as Szczesny hinted at last week. Yet over the weekend we see that this hasn't been achieved either. It's an absolute joke. We've had so long to sort the problems out and everyone knows what's wrong. So why doesn't Wenger do something about?

He can talk his talk in press conferences about how it's not easy to buy players and our rivals have more resources but you don't need £200 million to sort our problems out. And if they do need money, why not flog the deadwood that cost us points all the time like Squillaci, Djourou, Eboue, Traore, Chamakh, Mannone and Vela.

He hasn't even sorted the futures of Fabregas and Nasri out yet, he's had ages to do that and still refuses to offer money to keep Nasri here, like other clubs would do. He should just give Nasri what he wants, it would, again, be a bigger risk not to. If we didn't we'd then have to sign a replacement and lose out on his precious money next year when Nasri goes for free, after a potentially half- hearted season. And he'd probably go to one of our rivals.

It's not just Nasri where this has been an issue that has resulted in a cost to Arsenal's quest for success. We've lost Flamini and Gallas in very similar ways in recent years and all because of Wenger's stubborn principles regarding wages.

We are also over- reliant on Van Persie and even this hasn't been sorted out.

I'd love to know what our squad would read like if we had a manager with shallower pockets who is actually willing to spend money on our team to improve it rather than persisting with players that wouldn't get into the mid- table teams line-ups.

I'm sick of him holding the club back and I'm seriously starting to question whether he should be managing the team.

But atleast the club haven't increased the already ridiculously priced cost of tickets for the upcoming season. Oh wait, they have. Well, I suppose the success of the team last season has justified this. Oh wait...

Mean Lean's Response

Thank you for your article TL Gooner,

I have agreed with many of your previous posts. This time, I have to respectfully disagree with you for the most part. Here are a few reasons as to why.

You say that we have been dismal at defending set pieces and nothing has changed, when in fact since we returned from our Asia trip and started working on that area, we have yet to concede from any set pieces. This is not to say that we have solved the problem or are perfect as yet but it is unfair to say that nothing has been done.

Arsene Wenger, Andrey Arshavin and Wojciech Szczesny have all spoken publicly about how we have been working in that area. The problems that have been more on show is the inability to break down the opposition in a few of our games, but having said that we have missed Cesc, Nasri, (or their potential creative replacements) Walcott and Wilshere in those games.

On the center half issue, bringing in one center back is not a magic bullet that will all of a sudden stop the opposition from scoring from set pieces. One or even two central defenders will not be able to pick up six or seven attacking players from corner kicks for example.

Our organisation and approach needed to be better and from the little that I have seen of our set pieces it looks as if our players are now standing off their markers and then running to meet the flighted ball instead of a standing jump. If you look back at many of our goals conceded last season, the opposition player was able to get a running jump over our players and we were beaten too easily. We shall see how it pans out.

Personally I believe that Laurent Koscielny and Thomas Vermaelen will be a top pairing, I really do. Johan Djourou was our best central defender until his shoulder injury at Old Trafford and his form has since fallen apart. Our problems appear when we get either get injuries and have to come down to fourth choice.

Arsene Wenger and Ivan Gazidis have publicly stated that they want a defender and that they are working towards buying one. I totally understand the urge to want our transfer business wrapped up as quickly as possible but I guess you have to think that Wenger would have all his squad together if it was his choice.

That is the point often overlooked, it is not just down to Wenger to complete a transfer. There are many factors that dictate a transfer. Players holidays, contract endings, selling club holding out for bidding wars, agents flashing their clients around to as many suitors as possible, players overpriced at the beginning of the window etc etc.

Even clubs who traditionally spend far more than ourselves have not been overly busy as yet. Chelsea have just made their first proper purchase of the window yesterday, Tottenham are yet to show their hands. It is not an Arsenal thing, it is a transfer window thing and we have to wait until the window closes before we really judge what has or hasn't been happening behind the scenes.

'He is too picky with who he signs, he should just buy Samba or Cahill....'

Surely as a professional manager, his job is to be picky and sign the right players who can fit into our team. Last season he signed Squillaci, if that came around again and a player exactly like Squillaci was available at the start of the window should he not be picky and just sign said player? Of course not.

Our scouts watch targets for months, often years to try and avoid making mistakes. It is impossible to get it right all the time but when you look at how the likes of Sagna, Vermaelen, Arshavin and Nasri settled in recent years then you have to say we do a good job of scouting for the most part.

If you just go and buy random players for the sake of wanting new players then you turn into Liverpool under Benitez and sell your players a year later for massive losses almost every season.

You say Tottenham will improve if they sign Samba but that is your point about Arsenal. They haven't signed anyone as yet while we have already bought three (four if the Campbell deal comes off) new players. The way you are looking at our situation is different to how you see other clubs.

I do not see how 'giving Nasri what he wants' would be possible. If Manchester City offer Nasri £175,000 per week, should we just do the same? Then once we do that and then Van Persie, Vermaelen, Sagna, Walcott and the other established first teamers start banging on Gazidis' door, should we hand over what they want also?

We have a wage structure in place and it is pretty much impossible to work a football club without one unless you are Manchester City which then creates its own problems. You have players like Tevez on £100k more than some of his team mates.

Another point to make is that the club have always had a strict wage structure, way before Arsene Wenger so it is very unfair to lay that blame on him. In fact our wage structure has loosened far more under Wenger than it was previously under George Graham.

Basically I believe that many of us are nervous and getting a bit hysterical because we haven't signed all our targets yet.

If I was a betting man then I would predict that we will see another central defender shortly and when/if Bendtner leaves, we will see another forward. We will keep one of Cesc or Nasri. If either player leaves then we will buy Mata.
I could be completely wrong and we could buy nobody else but I shall wait until the window slams shut before I fully assess what we have or haven't got.

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Comments (40)

  • Wenger out NOW  - Your in Troble now
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    All the sad AKBs are going to be gasping for your blood after that true and well writen article.

    The man is a senile old has-been that is killing the club. Ive just paid £2640 for me and my son's season tickets (With the 6 and half %) And the mug still has not addressed the problems we have had for the last four years

    In Wenger we rust
  • Pollo  - changed style
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    I wouldn't call myself a die hard Arsenal fan, but I've been following them closely and what I see isn't necessarily the lack of a fantastic center back, it's more that Arsene has been changing his style of play over the years.

    Arsene's team used to be beast are repossession the ball, pressing high, forcing the team to make mistakes, and just working collectively and balls to the walls. What I see know is a team that, even without any further signings, is as good as any of Arsene's prior team. The biggest difference now is the extremely lazy team defense. Offensively, I don't think any has doubt that Arsenal are extremely dangerous. However, when team defense and repossessing the ball after it is lost isn't the number one priority of the team, they will find themselves on the back of their heals most of the game.

    I believe this to be the reason why Arsenal's centerbacks have looked beyond awful at times, because they were let down by their whole team. And yes... I know that players like Squillaci are just not good enough and one solid investment into another center back would probably not hurt. But I really don't think that even a Vidic would make this defense look dramatically better. Wenger needs to place more emphasis on team defense and repossessing the ball again. Something Arsenal used to be good at, but that has faded with time.
  • i support Arsenal not Arsene  - Please leave Arsene.
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    Come back George Graham and save your legacy which is being shredded by this clueless clown.
  • FunGunner
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    Agree with every word of your response, Mean Lean.

    The article is irrational, ill-informed and childish.
  • Alex  - alex.joy1@gmail.com
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    Excellent and considered response Mean Lean. Sometimes one has to go beyond the obvious to understand how a club like Arsenal works and some fans seem to be too smple minded to understand the complexity behind many decisions. Also all the talk of Arsene "killing our club" or shredding our club is retarded. The LOWEST that AW has acheived in his time at Arsenal is 4th place. 3 titles, 4 FA cups in 14 years with a lowest finish of 4th and competing with many sugar daddies is a considerable achievement.
  • feeno
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    Thanks for the well written and well thought out riposte to the original article by TJ Gooner mean lean. always a pleasure reading your articles

    Replies 1 take it you didnt bother reading MeanLeans response giving reason arguments as to why the points raised are BS.

    Our failings are highlighted through the media for a few reasons, to keep the moral low, negative, keep the more easily persuaded fan on the back of the manager to continue the story, the changes are being forced through by the media for no other reason than to have a story to report on.

    And also to stop the other teams looking at themselves, Chelsea no money spend, Tottenham no money to spend so rather than report on this they have a go at Arsenal for not spending (which we have) or not gettin the right players in (which we have allready and are continuing to do so)

    Until the last month of tlast season we were neck and neck with Man U on defensive stats. Yet we still have to buy a CH?? Well Vermalen is back so where does that leave us. Yes I want Squillaci to beat I really do but this "just by whoever" nonsense is just that, absolute nonsense .


    Do you people not realise that the media are just looking for a story to report on and are cranking the heat because we are so close, and then what are all those hacks who have ridiculed us for the last five years gonnae report about once we win.

    The fans need to cut the team and manager slack or it will just be another season of repeating the same follies, you want to have a go at wenger for not doin his job, well its a fans job to help the team through the sticky patches and tense moments in games, not get on their backs, boo and turn the emirates into a cauldron of nerves.

    You are all quick enough to go "ole" when the players are passin the balls round teams, you should be big enough to cheer them on when they need it.
  • goonerbegood  - THE PLAYERS HOLDING ARSENAL BACK NOT WENGER.
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    I feel wenger isn't the one holding the club back,but the players he has put his faith in are the ones holding the club and wenger back.
    The players have been below par for the couple of seasons even though i feel they could do a lot better.

    I know people will say,well he bought the players ,well yes he did,but if a manager gives you a chance to play ,then when you become very good ,then you want to leave the club to other clubs cos of more money or whatever they feel .

    Look at the case of nasri and cesc,we gave them a chance when nobody else did and what do we get for it.please dont tell me they have done a lot for the club cos they haven't done nothing.

    How many trophy's have they won.zero. we have a lot of unloyal footballers in this squad,and wenger is getting it right step by step.
    Now we are going back to english players ,which is good for a change.

    Wenger is no doubt the man for the job,but he needs to change a bit his model of the kind of players he brings in.
    look at adebayor,nasri,flamini,cesc,hleb,ashley cole,.. with these kind of players you will not win anything cos they are not focused in the club but on their own personal ambitions.

    I know very well the good times are not further away,things will come good again...but we need to keep our best players ,the core of our young guns, afobe,lansbury,walcot,bartley,gibbs,theo,alex,frimpong,wilshere...
    we have to develop them well so when all the money hungry players & barca dna leave ,they will come in and do a good job.

    wenger is a genuis,even though sometimes he makes a mockery of himself...wenger should talk less ,but let his talking be on the pitch with his players.If only the players we have now ,have the heart of tony adams and henry,the fighting spirit of veira,the vision ,loyalty of dennis bergkamp,the madness of jens lehmann,the quality ,loyalty of pires.the desire of ray parlour,.,..

    Loyalty is the key,in a institution,i know sometimes we all have our ambitions,but the club and fans come first.
  • RedandDread  - Wenger-Hold the club back
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    I would have to totally agree with Mean Lean's response to this article.
  • The Law
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    ML, your response said everything I wanted to. Thanks.
  • Moses Watasa  - Arsene Wenger lost the plot in 2005
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    That Nasri and Fabregas are tired of the “stagnated” Arsenal FC is in “red and white”. It’s a tough one but Arsene Wenger should sell these players and swiftly find replacements within the remaining days of August 2011. But the post-2005 Arsene Wenger (that we now know) would bank the cash for his predatory Board to munch other than re-invest it in quality signings. The uncertainty is rumbling-on but a tricky CL play-off with Udinese is looming and cracking EPL fixtures are awaiting the gunners. Typical Arsene Wenger is insisting with a comical defence – they have been leaking and banging-in own goals throughout the summer’s build-up matches. Signing “infants” like Oxylade Chamberlain and Carl Jenkinson suggests that Mr. Manager, stuck in his soccer illusion, learn’t nothing from last season’s bizarre implosion. A thick and dark cloud continues hovering ominously over the Emirates stadium. Strong “pain-killers” are required ahead of the new season – especially for the fans. For Arsene Wenger, it’s de-ja-vu time – he is back, in his suits and with his water bottles – he will be kicking the bottles (again) along the touchline throughout the 2011-2012 season.
  • Omomo14
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    Mean Lean, Simply well put response..... I couldn't have put it any better. Well done!!!
  • feeno
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    Moses Watasa, thank for playing but thats a swing and a miss.
  • richie  - Judas George has a legacy?
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    Boring Boring Arsenal?

    No honestly I loved George the judas while he was at the Arse!
    I even gloried in the way we mugged off better footballing teams under him, often beating them one nil.
    Very often from a set piece just like the lesser teams do now,
    but we played that way back then because we didn't have the flair players.

    If George has a legacy? Arsene has a much better one!

    Now we've moved on, Arsenal are better than that now, now we are know all over Europe and the World as the entertainers. Arsenal has a legacy that comes from winning the prem undefeated. It comes from winning 2 doubles playing the best football the prem has ever seen. It comes from 15 top 4 finishes 15 years of CL football. Something never achieved in our long history.

    It comes from having flair players that the world had never seen or heard of before, like Vieira, Freddy, Pires and Henry. It comes from giving others players a new lease of life. Like Adams, Keown, Parlour and Bergkamp. And it comes from building a defense of Lauren Campbell Toure and Cole that was the best the prem has ever seen. But mostly it comes from having Arsene Wenger as our inspirational manager.
  • Surrey Gunner  - Wenger out, all Arsenal problems solved in a strok
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    Wenger is a prisoner of the club board who are rigidly sticking to a business model which in the long-term will probably benefit Arsenal but there are no guarantees in the short-term.
    When we moved into the Emirates, parts of the business case was that we could compete with the best in Europe. Since that time we've had new owners and Manchester United, Abramovich at Chelsea and new owners at Liverpool and Manchester city.
    Given the financial model that Arsenal are competing with we had no alternative but to invest in youth. The problem we have is as these players develop they become attractive to other sides and we failed to retain them through their prime years i.e. 26 to 29. This is partially due to the wage structure and the financial model.
    I too am very pessimistic about the coming season, partly because I'm a pessimist by nature but partially because we do not seem to have made the expected signings in the transfer season, additionally, the ongoing saga with Cesc and Nasri have deterred new players coming to Arsenal. Please pull two or three rabbits out of a hat before the close of the transfer season.
    If we got rid of Wenger tomorrow, the manager would be faced with the same issues about the business model and wage structures and our competitors, the new manager may be able to lift the team and create a bit of a buzz around the club but I think that would be short lived.
    Actions:
    50 million “loan” to support new world-class players.
    Beef up the assistant and coaches, including defensive coaches.
    Introduction of a football director
    PS Ashley Young was a Arsenal supporter and Manchester United bought him for 18 Million, as was Smalling
  • ctc
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    the problem has been ongoing for years now. All these defenders are Wenger's handpicked. That the problem persists indicates that defence is not a priority for the coaching staff, that the coaching team doesn't know how to coach defence, that there is no one on the coaching team that knows squat about defence. Buying a new CB will not solve the problem and the problem will not be solved until the coaching staff make a committment to defending well.

    Offence wins games. Defence wins championships.
  • JB212  - Tactical Instructions and Formation
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    I personally believe that the reason our defence looks bad is due to the tactical instructions deployed by Wenger.

    Too many times this season I've seen Arsenal flood forward whilst in attack to only be counter attacked. During this counter attack I've seen our players just watch as opposition players run past them. What annoys me is that we have a squad with collectively probably more pace than any other team in the league. The reason we beat Chelsea 3-1 was in my opinion because we had Walcott and Nasri chasing back to help defend and pressure upfront. We looked untouchable in that game, looked like we could beat anyone. When our team's confidence is high their play is amazing.

    The team seem to only want to attack not to defend which is so visual by their body language when they lose the ball. When Rooney loses the ball you often see him get up, frown and chase after the ball like his career depended on it.

    It will be energy sapping but to counter that Wenger should have very light training sessions the day before and then a day of rest the day after the match.

    Wenger also needs to improve his line ups, rotation and substitute timing.

    Last season he often fielded distinct "A" and "B" teams, it shouldn't be like that, there should be always be a heavy mix of the "A" teams.

    Out of Scott Dann, Gary Cahill, Cristopher Samba, Per Mertesackr I'd prefer Cristopher Samba. He reminds me of a prototype Sol Campbell. Not as good but not MILES off. Vermaelen has a similar defending style and attributes as Kolo Toure so if they could be 70% as good as that partnership then we're okay. We have Sol Campbell and Kolo Toure Mark 3 in Djourou and Koscielny with Squillaci being a bit part player.

    Also I say Nasri and Fabregas can F"£$ off. Fabregas has been the best midfielder in the last 5 seasons but in 4/5 of the seasons he's played with fire, passion and desire. Wouldn't want to see what a disgruntled Fabregas plays like. Same goes for Nasri, he's one of the best dribblers in the league, probably the best in my opinion at keeping the ball and going through players but if he doesn't want to be here, get him off our wage bill. The money we'd get from both of them in total can buy us everything we need to be a better team without them.

    We get roughly £50-£60 from those two, another £7+ from Bendtner (even though I'd prefer him to stay and Chamakh to go), £3 from Eboue.
    There's also other pants players like Almunia to get rid of.

    Get in the following: Riccardo Montolivo, Cristopher Samba, Scott Parker/Lucas Biglia/Ever Banega, Mata, and Karim Benzema (Someone on his level).

    Heavy rotation where players are rotated every 2/3 games and substitutes are smartley used.

    With that I believe we'd definitely win more than 1 trophy.

    Szczesny, Fabianski, Mannone

    Sagna, Jenkinson, Vermaelen, Samba, Koscielny, Djourou, Squillaci Gibbs, Traore

    Song, Frimpong and either Parker, Biglia, Banega

    Montolivo, Ramsey, Wilshere, Diaby, Rosicky, Lansbury

    Arshavin, Miyachi, Chamberlain, Gervinho, Walcott, Vela and Mata

    van Persie, Chamakh, Benzema

    okay MAYBE am being a bit optimistic with the signings but one can only hope with the money that we get from selling the two want-a-ways and the deadwood coupled with the money we currently have that he'd splash the cash in an attempt to create a side feared in Europe.
  • Kevin
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    I'm not an AKB but I can read which is that's needed to see how poorly put together this ill formed idea is.
  • Savage
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    Mean Lean, your response is absolutely spot on. We know there's a DC still coming. Campbell apart, that will be our business done, unless we let go of one of "the two".

    Gervinho really does look like the kind of top signing we've been hoping for (less the massive price tag), and I'm really excited about how quickly he's been building an understanding with his teammates. I'm also really hoping for the Ryo deal to go through, because the pace in this team is going to be completely amazing with what we've brought in.
  • Savage
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    Haha, writing poetically doesn't upgrade your understanding of the situation at the club. And if Jenkinson is an infant, then we'll be looking forward to playing against the infant that Man U signed to guard their sticks!! Bring it on.
  • Kevin
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    What self serving nonsense!
    Because you have a GCSE in English lit. doesn't mean people want to read the drivel you can contrive.
    The "thick and dark cloud" over the emirates is generated by the ill tempered, spoiled fans that can't muster enough energy to spur on the crowd when they need it but can boo the team after a friendly!
  • Kevin
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    I agree with all that you say about the board and our financial fix, it is a point that I wish more people would take into account.
    It's also very observant that any new manager wouldn't be a long term fix, one that I will take with me.
    As for the transfers mentioned tried our best to get Smalling (and Jones for that matter) and I can say hand on heart that I don't believe Young (in the final year of his contract) is worth 18M.
  • Kevin
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    well done.
  • Kevin
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    I'm unsure who they are so can you list who works in the defensive coaching team and tell me why they're so bad please?,....
    No?
    Surprise,......
  • guns  - Braking news
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    Wegner will be shot dead if we loose to Newcastle
  • brian
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    Agree totally that Samba is the man for those tricky defending days against Stoke etc but he can have the day off if we play Barcelona etc in the Champions League.
    I also don't like the lack of signings because if Wenger waits until the end of the window we could already be virtually out of the title race and Champions League by then.
    On a more general note the style of play continues to frustrate me.In the first half of the friendly against Cologne we played with Chamakh(yes I know)up front,Gervinho and Walcott wide with Ramsey and Wilshere supporting from deep and we looked really threatening.In the second half we had the all too familiar sight of Nasri,Rosicky,Van Persie,Vela and Arshvavin trying to play through the opposition on the edge of a congested penalty area and got nowhere.I've seen this latter style fail to break teams down endlessly in the Premier League but I suspect that's the style we will get again rather than the quite refreshing style from the first half in Cologne.
  • MeanLean
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    'Braking' news: guns will get banned if he/she doesn't tone down comments.
  • Jekyll
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    Kevin, Bill Shankley said it best: the truth is on the pitch.
  • Podge
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    I wouldn't compare Samba to Campbell he isn't anywhere near that level Sol was possibly the best pure athlete to play in the premiership. We aren't overly susceptible to the counter only 20 goals conceded from open play would indicate it's a strength. Our defensive weakness is set pieces and to a lesser extent the panic when someone tries to hack it clear.

    Toure is much more of the sweeper type than TV5. If Nasri and Cesc did want out and didn't want to be at Arsenal I'm sure Wenger would have cleared them out. Their situations are similar as they are weighing up their options Wenger believes he can keep them and will try to.

    I doubt Montolivo would adjust to the prem Parker isn't really going to improve us on the pitch, Biglia just isn't good enough for Arsenal Banega is interesting but perhaps a bit lightweight. Benzema would be a dream signing but that quality isn't available every summer.
  • TL Gooner
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    Childish? That's incorrect.

    And irrational? Point out which bit has been irrational, if it was irrational, it would have been written months ago rather than waiting to see if the problems continued and developed.

    I'm all fr football debates, but I won't accept personal insults for having a passionate opinion about the club i love.
  • TL Gooner  - Simple minded?!
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    You are being simple minded for not baring in mind the recognition i so clearly portrayed at the start of the article my admiration for what Wenger has done at Arsenal.

    I am not simple minded, i have an opinion you don't like. Grow up.
  • TL Gooner  - Wow!
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    Wow, forgive me for having an opinion everybody who has hurled personal abuse at me.

    You clearly haven't noticed my opening two paragraphs saying how great I think Wenger has been and you seem to think i think buying Samba/ another CB solves everything. I don't think think that and i think i made that clear in my article, e.g:

    ' I'm not saying that Samba will be a guarenteed success'

    I'm just saying IN MY OPINION I think it would help. after all, I'd rather have Samba attacking the ball from an opposition corner than Squillaci or Djourou. And I recognise how great Vermaelen is and how good Kosh is, and for games like Barcelona (which someone wrote as if he thinks we play them every year no matter what) you would perhaps bring in Kosh for Samba for that sort of game. I'm not saying play CS all the time for goodness sake.

    Get a grip and accept someone has a different opinion to you.
  • MeanLean
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    Don't take it personally mate, no matter what your view point is, you will always get opposing views. I get it in the neck on a daily basis.

    :D
  • john  - is this allowed on your site
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    I think you wrote an excellent and realistic article Tl gooner . more and more Gooners are finally coming to realise that Arsene is holding the team back. All of your points particularly about Arsenes dithering and and the need for a stronger defence are obvious to everyone. . Arsene did say recently that we havnt got a weak defence which flies in the face of the blatantly obvious to everyone else (except the usual on this site). sorry to say , but i am a pessimist when it comes to Arsene and imo is destroying our club. And i am totally convinced that Arsene Wenger our once great manager, has become so deluded, stubborn, and full of self-importance that he will destroy his own legacy and will be sacked, as i dont believe he is capable of pulling us back from the brink.
    I would like to be the eternal optimist like ml on everything Arsene and Arsenal as optimism does make you feel better as a person, however i do believe a bit of realism from ml would only offend his followers on this site as they believe his every word, as you have seen from the responses to your article. They reacted with dismay that someone is allowed to come on MLs site and criticise Arsene and his failings. (how dare you). you might not believe me when i say this ml, but i hope your optimism for the Arsenal this season actually happens and i am proved wrong, but i feel TL Gooner summed it up perfectly.
  • MeanLean
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    John,

    I welcome any point of view on this blog. Regular readers know my way of thinking and my views. All I ask for is for those with opposing views to be respectful. If I didn't want to engage in other opinions then I would not have posted this article.
  • john
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    Fair enough Ml..
  • Gunner2301
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    Mate are you serious? Whilst I agree with your analysis about defensive strategy as a team and winning the ball back I can't agree that the team is as good as Arsenes prior team. You only have to look at the invincibles team and the current team and ask who from the current team would get anywhere near that one and the only one is Fabregas so let's not get carried away. We have got so used to mediocrity we are starting to thing what is being served up is beautiful when in reality it's a shadow of it's former self. We have been with each subsequent transfer lowering the quality of the team. How do you explain Senderos being ahead of Djourou who couldn't get into the team Senderos loaned out because he's not good enough which to me means Djourou isn't good enough, Djourou spends a year out injured, which in theory makes him worse than before and because there is no quality in the defence all of a sudden he returns and looks to be the best option because the two that were bought in to solve the problems were shit. Let's realise where we are with this team where there has been no competition for places, complacency has set in and the bar has most definitely been lowered to allow certain players in.
  • TL Gooner  - Cheers John/ ML
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    Thanks John, I think some of these people think we hate Arsenal or don't want them to succeed by the way they talk, but we are worried about the club and we can see the problems without our red-tinted glasses deluding our view.

    I welcome any football debate that isn't causing me to be personally attacked by a barrage of insults just because of my opinion about Arsenal.
  • John  - Price to pay for pro wenger site.
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    Yes tl , debates is fine my friend, but as this is a pro wenger site, it can so frustrating when you challenge Arsene, his tactics, his deluded comments and are told to get off the site and go support the spuds, and we are not Arsenal fans. I have overreacted a few times and insulted some posters myself. But ive realised its better to put your point across and laugh at the abuse and some of the comments, (and laugh you will) as some of them are so ridicilous and defy belief, that must leave ML cringing with embarrassment.
  • TL Gooner  - Insane insults
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    Yeah John, sometimes i have felt close to laughter because some of the crap they come out with in their comments has been insane
  • bereket  - mr
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    I don't know if there remains anything to be said about Wenger's failed policy. I think more than any analysis or explanation performance in the pitch speaks for itself about a team. Even teams who traditionally fight relegation don't get trashed the way we were by our bitter rivals like that. It is really a shame and you sort of sense even Fergie's disappointment in Arsenal's form in the post match interview...I am sure he prefers a more worthy opponent in Arsenal rather than yesterday's disarrayed squad.

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    How long will Arsene's failed policy be tolerated? I am very much concerned Arsenal would sink into a decade old fall from grace Liverpool are finally fighting to get out of now.

    It is very disappointing when such a wonderful team gets to the point Arsenal is right now.

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