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Written by Rajasimhan V on Tuesday, 24 January 2012 08:44

Before I start, I just want to clarify one thing. I am not here to preach what is right and what is wrong. This is my honest opinion on what happened the other night. To introduce myself, I am gooner from India who started following Arsenal during the 2002-03 season. For the past 9 yrs or so, Arsenal has made me smile, cry, shout, and fill me with all kind of emotions. But what I witnessed during the weekend left me in shock. It’s unprecedented, at least in the last 10 yrs or so. I just thought I could pen down what I felt and what we can do to move forward.

To Arsenal Fans who booed:

Why did they boo? The general opinion is that boos were directed towards Arsene Wenger. The fans expressed their dissatisfaction towards their manager. But was it the right place or right thing to do. My answer is a big "NO". You don’t demoralise your team when you play against your rival and when they are fighting with their backs to the wall. The most worrying sight was that it came from inside the stadium. These are people who have been watching and loving Arsenal for so many years (Even before Wenger Era). They are the most passionate fans and love the club as much as anyone else. Those are the ones who should know what Arsene Wenger has done for the club. Finishing in Top 4 for close to 15 years and winning 2 doubles is no easy joke. On top of that, he has managed to play eye catching football and did a small matter of going a entire season undefeated. I am not saying he is beyond criticism. He also makes mistakes but who does not. If Arsene Wenger quits, there are going to be clubs queuing up to take him on board. But do you think we can replace him straight away? I don’t think so. Did not he reject Real Madrid 3 seasons ago to stay with Arsenal and continued working on a shoe string budget? Our behaviour should not make him regret saying no to that offer.

Did the substitution warrant such behaviour? He withdrew a youngster having an exceptional night for a out of form, unwanted but talented International captain. In hindsight, people may say it’s a mistake. But who knows what the physical condition of the player is. Did not the same Arshavin pop up from nowhere and scored that delightful unforgettable winner vs. Barcelona. His form was the same then too. The irony of the whole episode is it is the same fans who criticised Wenger when he bought Chamberlain during the summer transfer. By this act, we have also inadvertently put a lot of pressure on the youngster too.

We have had players booed in the past too. This is nothing new. But just the occasion and the manner in which the whole episode has turned out to be do not augur well for the future of the club. There are numerous other ways and days to protest. But, this is the time to stand behind the team and support them. Let’s show that Arsenal Fans are class.

To other Arsenal Fans:

Let’s not take sides and fight among our self. Things happen in a moment. Let’s forget this episode and move on. It is also high time that we stop categorising supporters. Some of the classifications that I have really got sick of are:

You don’t come to the stadium; you don’t pay for the tickets. So you are not a fan.
You should be positive come what may. Then only you are passionate about the club. Else go and support spurs.

Let’s please understand that everyone loves the club in his own way as much as the other person. If people booed, they expressed their displeasure and I am sure at least some of them will regret that and will not repeat it. There is no point in spreading hatred and starting the blame game. Let’s all stand together and show the support to the team which we all love.

To Arsene Wenger and the Board:

Why did they boo? Have not the same fans stood by the manager and board through all the times. So if they express their displeasure, is not something wrong? Did not the fans appreciate the fact that we build the stadium and we can’t keep buying big superstar players? But why is this season so different. The board and the support staff need to analyse what has gone wrong. A club is as big as its fans.

Just to rewind a bit, couple of seasons ago, we were in the top of the table by mid January. Van Persie had a long term injury and we had Arshavin playing as a lone striker up front. Everyone knew we were in need of a striker. We tried to get Chamakh but could not. Who knows? Chamakh might have made a difference. But it was another case of so close yet so far in that season. Also, it had a big effect on Arshavin's career. Same might be happening with Djourou this time around. But fans did not protest. It was the same case with defenders last season. Vermealen was on long term injury and we needed a defender badly. But we could not get one. The protests were not this louder. We still managed to finish in the top 4 in both the seasons. But this season is entirely different. We are in the race for 4th place and it’s not going to be easy at all. Already, it is quite clear that we lost points this month due to lack of fullbacks. I am not saying that we go out and buy a £10M fullback even if he is available. We all know we have 4 good fullbacks in our team. My point is mistakes are being repeated again and again and it is getting punished. A club of Arsenal's stature cannot allow that to happen. I am confident that there are wise heads out there who surely know all these things. Hopefully, Arsenal Football Club can learn from its mistake and don’t repeat it again.

We all want Arsenal to do well. It is important that all the stake holders understand that and support this wonderful club in the best possible way.

Come On You Gooners!!

Mean Lean's Response

Thank you for your thoughts and you have made some very good and interesting points.

I like 99% of Arsenal fans around the world was amazed that Chamberlain was being taken off as he was clearly our best attacking player on the day. Before we were given any information about his physical condition at the time, I can understand why Gooners would gasp at the chance, I cannot pretend that I wasn't upset at the decision as I like many would have assumed that it was down to his performance.

I can also understand that fans pay a lot of money for season tickets but I just cannot agree with booing the team or manager, especially in the middle of a big game with the scores levelled.

In my opinion, we support the team because we want to, we choose to buy or not buy season tickets because we want to, not because we are owed anything. Some will agree with me while others will not. Booing at grounds isn't new and it is not only at Arsenal but this does not make it right in my eyes.

Simply put, in a 90 minute game of football, we want to win and want to get the best chance of doing that. Booing at the stadium creates a negative atmosphere for the home side which makes it more difficult for Arsenal FC to win games and that is what we should all be united on.

I read a comment on this subject by a poster called Arsenal Andrew on A Cultured Left Foot and I thought he summed much of it up very nicely.

"Certainly the concepts of loyalty and commitment seem pretty thin on the ground in some places. Personally I think there is a distortion of values, possibly a failure to educate. I don’t mean by teachers per se, but possibly by all of us old enough to do so?

Whereas once upon a time we would have sought the wisdom of old men for guidance, these days anyone with an internet connection can pontificate regardless of the value of their words. To some extent, we are obliged to listen to all kinds of nonsense and the infrastructure of modern communication doesn’t bring any guarantees as to the quality of the information it so effortlessly conveys.

I think the diminuition of the concept of loyalty leaves us all poorer. Sunday’s game gave us a timely lesson on the price we pay, as supporters of this awesome club, of this new found but unwelcome poverty.

For anyone even vaguely paying attention to the EPL, it has been evident that the game we love has become a marginal one.

All today’s matches have the potential to be won or lost by the slimmest of advantages and it explains why, for example, many of us spend a sizeable number of our waking hours discussing not just the play, but the contributions of the players, the referees, the managers and the fans.

And whilst the concept of “home advantage” is not new, the belief that there are, apparently, “no easy games in the premiership, anymore” is a comparatively recent one.

Any fan base that acts to neutralise “home advantage” by failing to get behind their team is, I’d suggest, less deserving of success than they might otherwise be.

Any fan base that turns home advantage into a negative by abusing their own team, frankly, deserve what they get.

And on Sunday, sections of the support failed to do the one thing they could do to contribute – however marginally – towards a positive Arsenal result.

Some started behaving like the away supporters and became, however briefly, the enemy within.

Make no mistake, we were in a battle and at the height of the fighting …

They. Changed. Sides.

They turned on the team. And, in so doing, they abandoned their former club.

A few minutes later, the game was lost.

Some present left their seats early, many minutes ahead of the final whistle. They failed not only to support their side but also, even, to see the game out.

Now those same supporters might feel they are exercising some imagined ‘right’ to pass judgement on whose fault it was that we lost that particular game. Or failed to win others.

I would suggest those same individuals start with a very close look at themselves.

Did they, as supporters, even deserve to have their team win or draw on Sunday?

Because if they did, how come they wouldn’t have been around to witness it?

And had the team turned things around in those last five minutes, how could they, as supporters, whilst retaining even a shred of integrity, have brought themselves to go from booing one minute to applauding the team a few minutes later?

Doesn’t matter that we ended up losing. We MIGHT have made it to 2-2. We COULD even have gone on to win 3-2. There was still time. I may be mistaken but I don’t recall too many of the team wandering off before the final whistle …

Incredibly, some of the boo-boys are still doing it, days later, in radio phone-ins, on blogs and beyond.

Attacking the team, criticising the club, failing to do the one thing they can do as supporters.

To slightly misquote Consolbob: [another poster]

Arsenal play.

WE support.

And if you can’t manage that during the game, or stay with it through the thick and thin of a season filled, for all clubs, with inevitable ups and downs, then think again.

If you hear yourself saying you are a fan of the club but insist on picking and choosing which players will somehow earn your approval, or you choose to join the media and the supporters of other teams in attacking the manager and his staff, then think on.

Yes, think again, my friend.

For, in my eyes – and in the eyes of many – you are no supporter at all."

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Comments (59)

  • Eric  - merci...gracias...nice one...
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    Couldnt have put it better myself...

    Through thick and thin you support. Does that mean you have to agree with every decision that is made ? Not especially...Are there other ways to express displeasure/frustration ...yes I believe so...

    Booing your own players..your squad...your manager DURING a game is just wrong in my book...however understandable the sentiment may be...
  • wrightydenhenry  - Stay positive til the end!
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    On the train home despite the result I hear many fans often the older ones slating our players based on their shallow knowledge of the game. Isee them influencing the younger members of their family with their negativity! Yes this is some bad patch but we are in danger of letting the media dictate our emotions about our team, lets not be like the them down the road and be postive until the end plenty of time for post morte at the end of the season......
  • Legolas  - Stop Booing & support ur CLUB
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    Kroenke and the board should LEAVE not Wenger. Beside i ask most of Arsenal Fans it is through Bad time u support the club i am sooo damn angry and mad cz been 6 years without trophies. but if we keep booing Wenger and players how disgraceful are we . we should support them and honestly i keep say it Kroenke only care abt profit . Uzmanov approach was to get more profit is to spend on squad he said that before renewal of sponsorship etc... honestly i go for Uzmanov who was supported by David Dein. :idea:
  • Joe  - Expectations are high
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    We are talking of the modern game....look whats happen'n to Ronaldo and Mourino. Upon all the good work and effort fans still boo for diff reasons.....Ronaldhino was booed when his form deeped at barca.

    Fans are fustrated by how the club is run. The root of the frustration is the that the club has failed to adequately strengthen the squad. We've been selling and not replacing with quality players.Look at the quality of our players and clubs above us esp spurs....lets 4get bout the manchester clubs and chelsea cos of there financial clout. We have average players, players who could not get into de team last season are now regulers....there are no competition for places....

    I have never been this fustrated....u knw y?...........Cos Mr Wenger feels very invicible....he can do whatever he wants and de board we have are happy.

    So please if u c fans venting there anger in what ever shape or form don't judge them.
  • Rajasimhan
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    Dont think Kroenke leaving is the solution. When you say Kroenke runs the club for Profit , I tend to disagree a bit. If you hear his interview , you can see how much he loves the club. I am of a strong opinion that Profit is also part of running the club. Probably , that does not mean we should not spend on transfers. But dont think Kroenke out is not a solution. Atleast not now. Lets give him some time.
  • Rajasimhan
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    Mate. Its not about judging the fans. As I said , The ones in the stadium are as passionate as anyone else. But what I am saying is you dont boo your team when they need your backing. Who knows. That might push them.

    And regarding quality players , I dont think we are lacking so much. Tell me one player who could not get into the team last year will get into our first XI this year. Ramsey is getting so many matches because Wilshere is injured. Also , Ramsey was really close to the first team when he got injured. Probably , we are a couple of players away from world class "Squad" and not team.
  • Eric
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    Nobody is saying not to vent your frustrations...believe alot of us could write essays about it all and how things could have been done differently( most of the time in hidsight mind you ! lol) but am sorry I cannot understand or excuse boo-ing your own players during a match...how is that conducive to helping your players/team/coach during a match..

    It is like you going to work ..already fragile and unsure and having someone shout at you whilst you are trying to perform...wouldnt you prefer an arm round your shoulder for encouragement or even better a CONSTRUCTIVE appraisal of your work at a DECENT interval in the year ?

    Like I said, I personally believe there are other ways to voice those frustrations (camp outside colney, write to the board, protest after matches,etc..) but During a match...sorry cant 'see why ..

    thats just my opnion and I dont expect all/any to agree with me ...
  • Dan
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    Fans's booing the players is not new at all, I can remember at Highbury throughout the late 80's and 90's, if Arsenal were a goal down at half time the crowd would often boo and grumble, especially if we lost a game. The players and manager would accept it because they had not delivered for the home fans and it was no big deal. And that was when the players didn't even earn big money.

    Now, with the online media culture we live in, every little thing is amplified and over analysed. Usually by people looking for internet traffic or Sky Sports, desperate for any scrap of non-news.

    The game and fans haven't really changed, just the amount of news we ingest online and the constant shit stirring and gossip.

    I think Wenger deserved to hear some vocal criticism from what was a ridiculous and damaging substitution. As experienced as he is, the fans care about the club and wanted to see us have the very best chance of winning the game, not for the manager to disable us by taking of one of our only attacking threats for a player who's lazy and not fit for the shirt. Why not take off the bumbling Walcott? Are 50,000 supporters looking at the same game wrong? I really don't think so. The people who shouted 'you don't know what you're doing' to Wenger they're just idiots, that takes the complaint too far.

    I think the majority of gooners still love Wenger, and haven't all of us had disagreements with a family member from time to time? let's keep it in proportion gooners.
  • Jekyll
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    So that Andrew Andrew bloke is essentially saying you unquestionably support the status quo at your club. By that reasoning, Terry Neill would still be manager. He was forced out by fans when results became unacceptable.

    Booing is the only avenue open to the fans that the club cannot ignore. Wenger made a ridiculous decision, on top of increasingly ridiculous decisions over some time now. That substitution was the tipping point for many, not just about that individual moment. It has done some good, it has brought discontent out into the open. Now perhaps something will be done, there will be some sort of change at AFC - at least we can hope.

    AFC have been on a downward trajectory for some years now. Do we just keep on with some people's definition of 'support' then, until what... relegation? Where does it stop, when do fans say enough of being fleeced by the owner, enough of the manager's irrationality?

    There is another definition of support. It can be to 'support' your club to criticise when it is clearly going in the wrong direction, in the hope that this helps to change it in another direction. Then we can hopefully go back to cheering and clapping and saying positive things.
  • Podge
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    The fans have changed because back then they cheered the team when games were tied and being won any Arsenal home game now the emirates is a library doesn't fill up until 5 mins into a game half clears out by the 40th takes until the 50th to fill up again and is nearly cleared out again by the 85th regardless of the score.

    Does Wenger deserve criticism for his mistakes? yes of course he does but people should recognise what is a mistake and what isn't for instance the substitution Chamberlain signaled to the bench to be taken off as he was feeling the effects of his calf injury sustained during the week and there is video evidence of this you shouldn't have any trouble finding it.

    The moment of the last season was arguably Arshavin's winning goal against Barcelona from the bench when he was in poor form Wenger looked to him to do it again and he failed to do what he is capable of. Remember Arshavin is a player Wenger seemed reluctant to sign but was effectively forced to do so by the fans cries for the signing.
  • Phil
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    Jekyll - why do it during one of the tightest games we'll play this season?
  • Joe
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    Jekyll nicely put....the substitution was just the tipping of the ice berg. As i said earlier Wenger has done very well....but as we all sing in Wenger we trust, that trust is being misplaced at the moment. Wenger has been making bad decision and has never been questioned but it is getting to the point if we don't cry out and say enough we'll be a mid table team.

    Some of his bad decision came to light or became very unacceptable when we got thrashed by Man u. how can u sell u're house or car and not put things in place for a replacement........He sold 3 players, a very good and cheap left back was avail from Newcastle...... for those of u who say we can't compete for good players......No he d'nt go for him or any other player until.....u knw de story.

    Why is he doing whatever he feels like......is it cos he is under no pressure from the board, or is it cos in Arsene we trust.

    If we don't show our fustration now we will continue with de decline.

    The frighten thing is that spurs which i hate with a passion have a better team than us not individuals (A TEAM) and they will continue to be better cos the manager and the chairman are very ambitious. Come summer they will add to there already very good squad.

    Our chairman says top 4 finish is not a disaster.....look whats happen'n ,now no additions to the squad.....if touch wood RVP is out for 3 or 4 wks we'll be thinking about 7th or 8th place finish cos he the only one scoring.........
  • Podge
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    Arsenal have been stagnant for a few years we haven't been going downhill as you claim. Whenever a big club has invested in a new stadium like Arsenal have they usually fall down the table and struggle for a few years.Arsenal have remained one of the top 4 sides in the premiership impressively while the club stabilizes after the huge investment.

    It is more than difficult to maintain position under those circumstances add in Spurs constant spending and gradual improvement to a high calibre European team. While ManCity have just raised the bar(financially) to insane levels.

    Have a look at Arsenal's injury record over the last 4 years and compare it to other teams and it is just ridiculous, go and blame Wenger for hiring bad physios etc. if you want but the fact is we have a serious leg break every season caused by horror tackles that are brushed aside as 'accidental' whenever it happens.

    Arsenal have challenged consistently but lacked that final bit needed. Often being robbed of key players through injury was that bit. How long did we have fit and firing RVP and Fabregas together on the pitch? The last month our losses have highlighted the importance of quality full backs to the modern possession game.

    I am so sick of hearing fans like you claim that you have the right to boo because you supported the club for so long and want the club to remain strong but I have noticed the number of comments on blogs like this one increase a lot after a bad result.You just want to moan and complain about something you don't even know what the problems are with the club right now
  • Jekyll
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    It seems I don't know what the problems are but you do ... it's all down to injuries and what other clubs are doing.

    We've gone from always finishing in the top two... to competing for the title but finishing 3rd or 4th... to outside bets for finishing 4th this season. That's a downward trajectory.

    If you want to gloss over all the managerial errors of the past few years - overpaid deadwood in the squad, bad substitutions, poor tactics - and just focus on the externals, then go ahead. You're going to be feeling a lot more sick because 'fans like me' i.e. those that don't buy the received corporate line like you do, are in the increase.
  • Jekyll
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    Phil - it was a spontaneous crowd reaction to the substitution. People didn't plan it pre-match. That substitution was the tipping point for all the pent up frustration over so many issues at the club.
  • 444
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    "Remember Arshavin is a player Wenger seemed reluctant to sign but was effectively forced to do"

    That's it. He is just not a Wenger pet player, so he does not play him, instead he plays equally-or-worse out of form Ramsey or Walcott week in - week out.
  • indian gooner forever....  - are you serious!!!
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    The same spurs did not finish in the top 4 last season - we did.
    And they had the same nucleus of players last season too apart from your beloved adebayor!!!!

    Enough said.
  • pika
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    mean lean and all the CORRECT and PROPER arsenal fans .....its a war


    thebooing cretins ...them lot who havent even kicked a football in their lives...wants to pass judgement and critique to one of the greatest managers football has seen, let alone arsenal.

    all these midgets with an attitude of self entitlement are either rivals pulling your leg or pathetic disruptive gloryseekers with no understanding of the modern game, modern finances and what it means to compete against teams which can field a 25m layer per position.

    there is a german post from a guy named kit holden...and whicever arsenal fan does not see arsenal and wenger in the ways he describes, does not deserve to be called a fan.

    the little engladers with their media and their anti-wenger bias are threatening to destroy what our brilliant manager has built for us and youre trying to treat them nicely?

    WHEN ARSENAL PLAYS ....I SUPPORT ...WIN LOSE OR DRAW !

    damn right!

    anyone of you tw@ts who thinks that because you pay a ticket you have a right to say how the club should be run you are wrong. if you dont like what you see..fuck off to another stadium..

    if you want to express your disatisfaction as a paying CUSTOMER in a restaurant...do it at the end...not when the team is playing.

    football was born in england...but wenger brought civility to arsenal and yoru pathetic nenaderthalish kick and rush league...RESPECT TO THE MAN who is responsible for the heights arsenal has hit in this modern era. the kind of heights this club never achieved all them previous 100 years without wenger.

    so shut up and support our team our manager and our players. if wenger dont make you proud for wht hes done for us you deserve the death penalty!
  • pika
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    instead of all you morons getting on your knees and crying and getting goosebumps from head to toes whenver you step in OUR STADIUM ...you dare boo the man who built it with his ideas and shrewd transfers ...


    YOU LITTLE ENGLANDERS DONT DESERVE WENGER ........

    YOU ARE TOO SMALL IN THE MIND TO COMPREHEND WHAT HE IS DOING AND HOW FAR AWAY HE LOOKS WHEN HE DOES HIS PLANNING.

    i doubt you little engladers know more about football than the germans italians spannish and barsialians ...so go check what all them have to say about Arsene Wenger and fuck your daily mails, mirrors suns or whatever patheitc jealous and incapable little engl;ader has to say.

    england declares war on my arsenal..then i declare war on england ...what are you gonna do arsenal fans ? allow your compatriots to destroy OUR TEAM ? wake the hell up and start getting aggressive to the ones who boo ...kick them out the ground...use force if necessary! slap some sense into them!
  • pika
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    If we don't show our fustration now we will continue with de decline.


    lol...what frustration you muppet ?

    for not winning the league against teams that have 10 times the budget wenger has ?


    were you winning many leagues without wenger ? i dont think so...one per decade .......in average throughout our history.....

    wenger has three....therefore he has credit for another decade of fucking it up if he wants tillhe gets it right..and you as the fan will support him why? because he is the best thing that has ever happened to this club. FACT!

    WHAT DECLINE YOU SHORTSIGHTED FOOL ??? manure owes 1 billion chelsea another one and city god know how much...in the next decade they might not even exist, while wenger will be waving au revouir to them as they sink in administration....TW@T .....

    if you didnt realise back in 2006 that the move to emirates equalled a period of shit results for a while then thats YOUR FAULT , not wenger;s.
  • pika
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    comparing us to spurs??? lol are you fucking nuts ..what have they done? lol

    they played a year n europe and couldnt keep up....theyhad to abandon europe to concentrate on the domestic league....lol.....amateurs

    for 17 years theyve sucking wenger;s cock ..and now just one year they seem to be doing slightly better and all of a sudden we should use them and harry as the example ? puhahahaha

    these mentalities only exist in 3rd world countries ...........
  • pika
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    jekyll.... you are an idiot ..can you please go support chelsea for a while till we repay the stadium ? thank you ....

    and whatever youve spent on arsenal i would gladly give it back to you as long as your mug dont show anywhere near our stadium.

    with fans like you huh? .....pmsl...
  • pika
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    always finishing in the top two? lol.....you were ending 7th and 12th before wenger mate .....go read up some arsenal history please....
  • pika
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    lol...so the cretins who are frustrated and emotionally compromised can abuse and boo our great manager but the fans who do have a brain can not tear into you?

    sorry mate ...i support arsenal....wenger is the best thing that has happened to arsenal...therefore i will support him .

    if you have lost your faith because the media say so then fuck off...we have nothing in common....
  • pika
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    they have no right to be frustrated ....if they cant see the team has been overachieveing the last 6 years thats their fault...not ours ,, and certainly not wengers.

    take your stinking whining attitude away from ARSENAL please .
  • Spectrum
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    " Stagnating " or rusting ? Same thing isn't it ? And of course fans have the right to boo. If ANY manager of ANY club made the sort of insane decision Wenger did, they would rightly expect to be abused. The mystery was that Wenger seemed genuinely SURPRISED that his move drew such venom. Shows how out of touch he is with the fans.

    " ******************"
  • Eric  - pika
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    is on fire...
  • Eric
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    Am confused...on one hand people accuse Wenger of being stubborn and on the other hand people say that he reluctantly bought Arshavin due to player pressure...?
  • Gino92
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    Whoa pika, got lots to say, don't ya?

    Off topic, does anybody know what is going on with Abou Diaby? Seems like he hasn't been seen around the Emirates for ages! Wenger doesn't even seem to mention his injury progress during his press conferences anymore. Makes me wonder if we will ever see Diaby play again this season... Anyway, I am very excited about Sagna's return because it means no more relying on Djourou at Right-back. Thank goodness for that!
  • Colesy
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    "they have no right to be frustrated" - what crap. Oh, Pika wrote it. LOL! :lol:
  • Colesy
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    Pika, what's your problem with short people? How do you know that the visitors to this site 'haven't kicked a ball'???

    "want to pass judgement" - why the hell not. it's our club, our money we spend on tickets, merchandise etc, why should we not pass judgement. It's not North Korea!! I don't adore Wenger as you seem to. Doesn't mean I can't share my thoughts about his influence on the club.

    "you deserve the death penalty!" - what sort of talk is that??

    You Muppet!
  • Colesy
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    Pika, seems you're getting so excited that your spelling has been affected. Keep your Wenger inspired hard on to yourself. :lol:
  • Colesy
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    sorry Pika, when did Wenger or the Board state back in 2006 that the move to the new stadium would "equal a period of shit results for a while"???

    By the way, what is your definition of "a while"? :confused:
  • Anonymous
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    Pretty obvious to most....didn't you get the memo??
    No wonder
  • Anonymous
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    Would you say his influence has been detrimental,or positive
  • Colesy
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    I'd say Pika has been detrimental to this post! :lol:
  • Spectrum
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    Anything you'd like to add to that, pika ? ( L.O.L. )

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  • pika
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    yes colesy..they have no right to feel frustrated ....frustrated are those who are weak and those who can not see the big picture.
  • pika
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    how do i know? from the cr@p they type.

    it is obvious those who critisise as harshly havent even played the game at any fucking level......pub level at best...or with their friends in the parks with their backsacks as goalposts...

    i have told you before you little cretin...judgement? who are you to pass judgement? ferguson in disguise ? or lippi? ...lol..sit the f*ck down please....little engladers like you CAN NOT critisise or judge the work of wenger for your petty little brain cant grasp it.
  • pika
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    yeah fuck off back to totenham sites and crow with the rest of your fans :wink:
  • pika
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    look at you ...hehehe.... you aint concerned about arsenal ...only getting a rise out of the proper fans by shitting on our club and manager ...

    the definition of TROLL 8)
  • pika
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    NAH MATE HE DIDNT GET THE MEMO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    perhaps he needed a private seminar ..what with his low iq and all...pmsl..
  • pika
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    of course ive got a lot to say....some cretinous wenger hating little engladers are trashing our manager and club......

    not nice...
  • Colesy  - Wiltshire out for the season???
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    According to AW Jack has suffered a setback. No news on how long he will be missing. Shame, we are certainly missing him.
  • Gino92  - Nooooo... Why Jack Wilshere???
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    Extremely gutted about Wilshere's injury setback. I, like 99% of Arsenal fans, was really looking forward to his anticipated return especially since our midfiel is devoid of creativity for the most part. It makes me wonder why our players always seem to have setbacks before or just after their return. Long term Injury + Setback = Out for the seaon (pretty much) in Arsenal language. :x Does it have something to do with our medical staff? Do we rush our players back too soon? I don't hear much about other teams' injured players having setbacks (although I admit I don't pay too much attention to other teams)...

    When Arsene says that so and so has a "little setback" and we do not know how much longer he will be out for, this is usually a cue, a hint that the player is out for at least 3-4 months. In Wishere's case, unfortunately, it means he is done for the season. I certainly hope not, but I still remember Wenger saying last season that Thomas Vermaelen would be out for about 10 days and we all know what happened after that. Similar story with About Diaby earlier. My money would be on Gibbs to have some sort of setback as well. Him and Diaby are prime candidates for setbacks.
    So, does this new "catastrophe" change Wenger's approach to the transfer window soon to be closed? Does he go out and buy/loan a creative attacking midfielder and a leftback (preferably Jan Vertonghen)to help us get that Champions League spot? We cannot continue to play Vermaelen on the left indefinitely. We need him in the middle alongside Koscielny. Lots for Wenger to ponder... But not for too long, I hope.

    Get well soon, Jackie Boy! We are all praying and anxiously waiting for your return. Good luck.
  • colesy
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    What tosh! Again i'd expect nothing less from a wenger hard on like you
  • colesy
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    Obviously you haven't been reading my posts pika. Too busy finding pictures of Arsene? Lol. If u got out of the bathroom and put down ur copy of arsenal magazine, u would have seen I have raised many concerns about my club. Muppet
  • Spectrum
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    Oh the poor precious players. They're so emotionally fragile and sensitive to the slightest criticism, that they must come off the pitch with migraines, and in a state of emotional exhaustion. Where is their "mental strength " ? Are they all a collection of pampered wimps who can't take ( justified ) abuse when they consistently underperform and / or show no pride in the shirt ? ( well at our club they are, evidently ).

    If we worried about how abuse affected individuals, then we'd never have a match at all ! Why ? Think about it. Who controls matches ? The referees. Do you think a ref goes chooses his role not knowing what he's getting himself into ? Swearing, insults, name calling e.t.c. is something they KNOW they are going to get and from ALL sides, not just one - they KNOW it goes WITH THE JOB. Always has, in the entire history of football. Do they go home at night in a state of nervous despair ? No, if they had a poor match, got a decision or two wrong, or missed an incident, they listen to the criticism, take it on board, and if they've got a half decent conscience,they try to do better next time. They may learn from their mistakes, and it could motivate them for their next match.

    Why should we expect any different of players ? If refs can handle it, surely some of these prima donnas on 40,000 a week can too. If they can't, do you think they'd still turn up every week ? Are they masochists ? It all depends on ATTITUDE. If you've got the right one, you'll take it on the chin and try that much harder next time.

    That's what makes champion players - the Tony Adams's, the John Terry's, the Patrick Vieira's e.t.c. They were all infused with a determined team spirit, that enabled them to carry on through every adversity that was thrown at them - both on AND OFF the field. Get enough with this mentality together at a club - and you have a team that WINS THINGS , and doesn't look for excuses why they can't.

    Arsenal had that mental toughness once, a LONG time ago. Now it's obvious that it's been leeched out of us. The fans ( some of us that is, ) see that, and are entitled to ask where it went. Booing is a way of expressing that frustration. Not the ONLY way, but a way nonetheless.

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  • Spectrum
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    pika - YOU accusing us realists of " not seeing the bigger picture ? " Ha-ha ! That's a turn up. How did you write that with a straight face ? Haven't had such a laugh since........... since....... your last post ! :D :D :D
  • Spectrum
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    Colesy - If pika ever decides to go into politics, God help us all. " Death penalty " ? Run for the hills everyone ! The worrying thing is, even if he's only HALF serious, it makes him dangerous.

    Where are those men in the white coats when you need them ? :roll: :!:

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  • Spectrum
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    He's definitely on fire alright.

    Can I be the one to throw the bucket of water on him, or do I have to wait in the queue ?
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  • Spectrum
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    Gino 92 - It will certainly be good to have Jack returning to the team. He's a nippy little player, but to get the best from him I think he needs a more forward role. I'd like to see him given a licence to roam and to get into dangerous areas. He should try shooting a bit more often, too.

    Vertongen is a versatile player,who would be well suited to us - can play in a number of positions in defence or midfield. A utility player, almost. Handy to have when we inevitably, it seems, get hit with more injuries. So if as I presume, he's available, what's stopping us from getting him ? It's January 28th as I write this, and still no signings yet. Did we really expect there would be ? :idea:

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  • Colesy
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    spectrum, would you seriously throw water on Pika?? He's said "if wenger dont make you proud for wht hes done for us you deserve the death penalty!"

    Personally, I'd stand and watch :lol:
  • pika
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    you ? realists? pmsl .....

    you see a club underchieveing with 20-21- 22 yearolds players and 15m budgets per summer in a period of repayment... :lol: :lol:


    lol...a club that has as priotrity to repay its stadium and is playing with youngsters ..you accuse them of not delivering titles for which other teams spend 200 and 300 million in order to win?...lol you are nuts..and incapable of talking football..

    you are trolls and im shocked mean lean allows you entry...
  • pika
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    politics? nah mate i just want to find you two little engladers tottenham scum and see what you have to say then ..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
  • Phan
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    Sad to see that this site's comments has also gone negative.
  • pika
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    lol thats what happens when the positive ones dont put the negative bitching little engladers at their places ...

    the colesys pardews rectums ;arrys and sams ....them lot
  • Anonymous
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    look at the whole picture before u start rampaging..

    it does not matter how frustrated you are, supporters should not be booing their team at the critical stage of a game. Just imagine someone screaming yelling at u when u are finishing a game which outcome is still unknown..

    Arsenal's decline started when Roman abramovich first came into the scene. Then came Sheikh mansoor. With arsenal's ideals of bedding young players, overpriced targets, debts incurred from building the stadium, do you see them buying big? i cant deny AW had his fair share of failed dealings, but he done his job well enough to get top 4 for 15 years.

    Regardless of whether arsenal manages to get top 4 this year or next few years, i would like to see how the other teams deals with the Financial Fair Play. Look at Chelsea when they stop spending big.. how would manc cope with aging players in the future? think before u @#)$(%
  • pika
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    nice effort but unfortunately the morons who support arsenal cant see that far ahead....... in their simple logic they thought moving to emirates turned us into ac milan in a single night...ac milan has 7 champions leagues..arsenal none...they have reached a final though ...with wenger.

    " i dont care roman abramovic launders his money via epl , arsenal should be competing with them!.we should have followed dein and usmanov plans! not wenger's"

    lol......if chelsea does not exist in 20 years time i wonder what all these idiots will say then....will they still blame wenger? lol...

    when united has no ferguson and a bunch of inexpereinced kids trying to emulate the past glories with a manager dying out of stress to equal or top ferguson and with no money.... lets see if them arsenal fans still blame wenger...

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